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This is the primary discussion forum for the CS Wiki. Decisions made by the editors here on the Wiki will be posted here, as well as links to on-going discussions. Please be sure to use Signatures and Indentation appropriately in discussions - if you are unsure of proper style, please see our [[Help: Welcome to Wiki Syntax|Welcome to Wiki Syntax]] guide.
This is the primary discussion forum for the CS Wiki. Decisions made by the editors here on the Wiki will be posted here, as well as links to on-going discussions. Please be sure to use Signatures and Indentation appropriately in discussions - if you are unsure of proper style, please see our [[Help: Welcome to Wiki Syntax|Welcome to Wiki Syntax]] guide. '''This is not the place to ask general mod related questions, those belong on the {{forums}}.'''


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'''Discussion Subpages'''<br />
'''Discussion Subpages'''<br />
Active Discussions
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* [[Community Portal/General Cohesion Initiative|General Cohesion Initiative]]
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/AFD and Redirects|AFD and Redirects]]</ul>
|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/AFD and Redirects|AFD and Redirects]]</ul>
|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Second Revitalization|Second Revitalization]]</ul>
|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Second Revitalization|Second Revitalization]]</ul>
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Magic Function Subcategorization|Magic Function Subcategorization]]</ul>
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Function Info Template category|Function Info Template category]]</ul>
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Search Changes?|Search Changes?]]</ul>
|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/Redirects & Nominated Articles|Redirects & Nominated Articles]]</ul>
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/New Utility Mod - Should I put the docs here?|New Utility Mod - Should I put the docs here?]]</ul>
|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/script editor wiki links|Script editor wiki links]]</ul>
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|<ul><li>[[Community Portal/That Spam Bot|That Spam Bot]]</ul>
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== Finally Fixed the Project:Copyrights Link ==
== Finally Fixed the Project:Copyrights Link ==
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The [[Project:Copyrights]] link on the Edit page is '''finally''' fixed, as a side-effect of fixing the project namespace. Very happy to see that. I went through and moved all the old project pages that I could find over to the new namespace, and I added a few more links. Very good stuff.<br />
The [[Project:Copyrights]] link on the Edit page is '''finally''' fixed, as a side-effect of fixing the project namespace. Very happy to see that. I went through and moved all the old project pages that I could find over to the new namespace, and I added a few more links. Very good stuff.<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 01:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 01:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)


== Architecture Changes ==
== Architecture Changes ==
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::::::Will ask.
::::::Will ask.
::::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 09:40, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
::::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 09:40, 4 June 2008 (EDT)


== Cleaned up Hosted Images ==
== Cleaned up Hosted Images ==
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Just went through the image log, added <nowiki>{{afd}}</nowiki> to the ones that have no business on the Wiki. Leaving a note here so that if anyone decides to do so again at a future date, they know they only have to go through the ones after this date.<br />
Just went through the image log, added <nowiki>{{afd}}</nowiki> to the ones that have no business on the Wiki. Leaving a note here so that if anyone decides to do so again at a future date, they know they only have to go through the ones after this date.<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 08:19, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 08:19, 6 April 2008 (EDT)


== Toolbox for Tutorials ==
== Toolbox for Tutorials ==
I think it would be a good idea to add a toolbox on tutorial pages with the tools used in that tutorial. That way we can standardize all the "Tools Needed" and "Requirements" sections in each tutorial. On the Wiki pages of the tools we can add some installation instructions, trial programs and alternatives. Next to the TOC would be a good spot, it's only a list with links so there's not a lot of space required. Here's an example of what I mean:
I think it would be a good idea to add a toolbox on tutorial pages with the tools used in that tutorial. That way we can standardize all the "Tools Needed" and "Requirements" sections in each tutorial. On the Wiki pages of the tools we can add some installation instructions, trial programs and alternatives. Next to the TOC would be a good spot, it's only a list with links so there's not a lot of space required. Here's an example of what I mean:
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:Very good idea - I wonder if we should do a similar bit for the scripting tutorials and list all of the "See Also", functions used, [[:Category:Standardized_Snippets|Standardized Snippets]], and articles up top?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 11:41, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
:Very good idea - I wonder if we should do a similar bit for the scripting tutorials and list all of the "See Also", functions used, [[:Category:Standardized_Snippets|Standardized Snippets]], and articles up top?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 11:41, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
:Brilliant idea, as I hate when tutorials suddenly say: now open this program, A program I don't have, it's too far into the tutorial for me to stop!
anyway I'd love to help you add them!
--[[User:Oblivious12123|Oblivious12123]] 07:36, 29 December 2009 (EST)


== New Administration Noticeboard ==
== New Administration Noticeboard ==
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Sheriff action requests and requests of Bethesda should now go [[Help:Administration Noticeboard|here]].<br />
Sheriff action requests and requests of Bethesda should now go [[Help:Administration Noticeboard|here]].<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 11:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 11:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)




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:There are some functions that need a tutorial/overhead explanation (i.e., Messagebox Tutorial). From the ESF thread, the GetNthActive... functions need one. Looping apparently needs a better one? And from another thread the Input functions need one (though, apparently, it will be moot by v15 :) ).--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 11:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:There are some functions that need a tutorial/overhead explanation (i.e., Messagebox Tutorial). From the ESF thread, the GetNthActive... functions need one. Looping apparently needs a better one? And from another thread the Input functions need one (though, apparently, it will be moot by v15 :) ).--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 11:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)


== Magic Function Subcategorization ==


Well, I was working on some scripts and I was getting tired of searching through that huge list of functions in the Magic Function section, so I added three subcategories to break things down somewhat. The [[:Category: Magic Functions - Magic Item (OBSE)|Magic Item Functions category]] might be worth breaking down further, but right now I'd actually like to get back to those scripts I was working on.<br />
== Functions in scripts category/pages ==
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 20:36, 1 March 2008 (EST)
 
== User CSS Enabled ==


TS7 has enabled the Wiki's User CSS function, so no more messing with userContent.css or Stylish - you can just use your "User:Name/esstyle.css" page. See mine at [[User:DragoonWraith/esstyle.css]].<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 18:36, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:This has driven me nuts a few times. [[Wiki_User_Style|Here's the link]] to the User Style page.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 13:31, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
== Functions in scripts category/pages ==
There's a category (set of pages?) that lists the vanilla scripts with certain functions. I imagine that all of these were determined with v1.0 and there have been some changes since then. [http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=809919 This thread], for instance, points out one such instance where the function doesn't seem to be there (whether it ever was there).
There's a category (set of pages?) that lists the vanilla scripts with certain functions. I imagine that all of these were determined with v1.0 and there have been some changes since then. [http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=809919 This thread], for instance, points out one such instance where the function doesn't seem to be there (whether it ever was there).


It looks like these functions are easy enough to find (Find Text), and I imagine there are differences between the versions. So, should we delete the category/pages?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 14:00, 15 February 2008 (EST)
It looks like these functions are easy enough to find (Find Text), and I imagine there are differences between the versions. So, should we delete the category/pages?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 14:00, 15 February 2008 (EST)


==Deleting Questions==
==Deleting Questions==
I started the process - it doesn't seem to be as daunting as I thought it would be (hooray for [[:Category:Request an Article]]). Anyway, should we make the decisions on where to put the question (delete, request, etc.) on our own or wait for a second vote?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 18:17, 19 February 2008 (EST)
I started the process - it doesn't seem to be as daunting as I thought it would be (hooray for [[:Category:Request an Article]]). Anyway, should we make the decisions on where to put the question (delete, request, etc.) on our own or wait for a second vote?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 18:17, 19 February 2008 (EST)


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==="Answered" Section===
==="Answered" Section===
Everything in the Answered section, in theory, "isn't of real importance to the public" - I vote for whole-sale deletion of everything in the category. I recommend that people go through, give things a cursory glance to make sure that it actually isn't anything useful, and if not, yeah, we can just ditch all of it.<br />
Everything in the Answered section, in theory, "isn't of real importance to the public" - I vote for whole-sale deletion of everything in the category. I recommend that people go through, give things a cursory glance to make sure that it actually isn't anything useful, and if not, yeah, we can just ditch all of it.<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 15:58, 24 February 2008 (EST)
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 15:58, 24 February 2008 (EST)
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[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 00:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 00:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)


== Questions on (advanced?) wiki syntax ==
I have a couple of questions on wiki syntax, if anyone knows the answers:
I would like to work on the OBSE v14 functions as soon as the Beta comes out. If I do so I'll need to mark them as beta, and once the beta is over I will have to mass edit and remove the Beta tag. I would also like to be able to put them into a v14 Beta category and then move them to a v14 category. Does anyone know an easy way to do that?
Some of the formulas on [[:Category:Potion Strength]] are incredibly long, but I'm not sure how to condense them, especially because some require powers of fractions. If at all possible, I would prefer to place the fraction on two separate lines with a paranthesis big enough to cover both lines, and maybe even superscript the power. However, I don't know if that is even possible. Any suggestions?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 21:02, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:For the beta thing, you might try a template? I dunno, you could create a template <nowiki>{{OBSE v0014}}</nowiki> and at first have it warn that it's a beta, and then later blank it or give a simple mention that it was first added in v0014 (or use it to add the category tag).
:As for the math stuffs, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula here].
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 13:34, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::Thanks DW. I've already started adding the v14 functions with a beta tag (I'll just have to remember to take them all off with the final release). That formula page looks great - starting to comb through it!--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:36, 16 January 2008 (EST)
::[[User_talk:Haama#Math_Format_Tests|I tried out some of the stuff from that page]]. I don't think the MediaWiki or TeX that the page talks about are available here.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:54, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:::I'll e-mail Gstaff, but in the meantime (or if nothing can be done), since the TeX stuff on Wikipedia creates an image, you could always create the formula on Wikipedia (in a preview page), save the image, and upload it here - which is similar to what I did for the Trigonometry page (I didn't bother to create the formula since Wikipedia already had one, but I did grab theirs and upload it here). This has the advantage of giving you the ability to remove the white background from the image if you would like - not a bad idea considering the background here. It is, of course, more work and more time-consuming.
:::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 15:04, 20 January 2008 (EST)
::::For the record, I just talked to Gstaff and apparently he never got or accidentally deleted the e-mail without seeing it. I've resent the e-mail to him.
::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 19:14, 19 February 2008 (EST)
The Wiki Sys-Admin (TS7? not sure) said he'll add the LaTeX stuff next week, and he'll look into the Parser stuff when he does that.<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 16:53, 21 February 2008 (EST)
:Good news indeed. I'll PM Niaht and tell 'em.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 18:02, 21 February 2008 (EST)
::Erm, any update? I noticed the Toolkit (sweet!), but haven't heard about anything else.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 12:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Parser extension should be added, TS7 says we should test it to make sure it works. The LaTeX stuff is giving him trouble, but he's still working on it.
:::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 16:36, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
::::I had contacted Niaht earlier (Feb) and never heard back. Otherwise, I'm not too sure what to do with the functions - I tried looking at [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] but that doesn't give a good starting place for ?web?wiki? design. Are these for templates only? I wanted to be able to create one page/template for all of the functions that need to worry about message spam, lag, etc. while still having relevant text for each (i.e., using the function EquipItem instead of AddItem), but I'm not sure how. There's a "page exists" function, but... no seriously, what's the point of a page exists function? When is it necessary to know what's on another page, let alone that another page exists? Confused...--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 19:19, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> should be able to do what you want. Write the message and replace the function with <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>, that should change to the page it's displayed on. This is what you can use to change larger pieces of text: <nowiki>{{#ifeq: {{PAGENAME}} | Community Portal | This is the Community Portal page. | This is another page. }}</nowiki>. But for the function name <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> alone should be sufficient.
:::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 20:19, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
::::{{#ifeq: {{PAGENAME}} | Community Portal | The parser functions work! At least this one does, I don't know about the others. | You shouldn't see this. }}
::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 20:23, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
Thanks Qazaaq - I'll try it out in a bit.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 21:02, 28 March 2008 (EDT)
[[:Category:Variables|Works!]] - I've updated the [[:Template:Update|Update template]] to say Article for articles and Category for categories.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 01:02, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
== Function Info Template category ==
I've added a [[:Category:Function Info Templates|Function Info Templates category]] so we can know which templates (i.e., MessageEXFormatting) have been created and can centralize function information. I've placed this in the [[Toolkit]] as well so it'll be easy to find. I know I haven't gotten all of the templates, so please add as needed.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 19:21, 2 April 2008 (EDT)


== Uploading test mods ==
== Uploading test mods ==
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::Finally got a chance/reason to test this - we can't upload .esp files... Not sure if it's worth bugging GStaff and <sp?>TS37<sp?>, though. Almost a roll of the dice whether it'd be a better way to get people to upload their test mods.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:18, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
::Finally got a chance/reason to test this - we can't upload .esp files... Not sure if it's worth bugging GStaff and <sp?>TS37<sp?>, though. Almost a roll of the dice whether it'd be a better way to get people to upload their test mods.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:18, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
::There is a way of putting .rar files into the .jpg image and then upload it to be downloaded and extracted. ill get back to you on this one.--[[User:blindobi|blindobi]]


== Wrye Changes ==
== Wrye Changes ==
Okay, I'm sure that this stuff has been talked about before. For sure there was a major effort at putting together portals. But I'm not sure that was a good idea. To some degree it seems that we're now lost in a plethora of index pages (portals + categories + sub-categories). Kind of a lot.  
Okay, I'm sure that this stuff has been talked about before. For sure there was a major effort at putting together portals. But I'm not sure that was a good idea. To some degree it seems that we're now lost in a plethora of index pages (portals + categories + sub-categories). Kind of a lot.  


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=== Deleting Articles ===
=== Deleting Articles ===
I'm using the Prod (Propose for Deletion) template a lot.  
I'm using the Prod (Propose for Deletion) template a lot.  
* '''Tutorials''' - There seem to be way to many tutorials. Especially tutorials which are: incomplete, erroneous, bylined, chatty, poorly written, not useful. (The chatty tutorials are really getting on my nerves.) I'm prodding those that don't look useful.  
* '''Tutorials''' - There seem to be way too many tutorials. Especially tutorials which are: incomplete, erroneous, bylined, chatty, poorly written, not useful. (The chatty tutorials are really getting on my nerves.) I'm prodding those that don't look useful.  
* '''Usage Pages''' - At some point someone went through and documented where functions were used in various scripts. Which is completely pointless since the same info is more readily available through use of the Text Search command. I've prod'ed one of these pages ([[AddSpell Reference]]), but really all such pages ought to be summarily deleted.
* '''Usage Pages''' - At some point someone went through and documented where functions were used in various scripts. Which is completely pointless since the same info is more readily available through use of the Text Search command. I've prod'ed one of these pages ([[AddSpell Reference]]), but really all such pages ought to be summarily deleted.
--[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 21:50, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
--[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 21:50, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 
::Excuse me - where is this Text Search command located ?? Answer : Edit>Find Text - see [http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Find_Text here][[User:UDUN|UDUN]] 10:05, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
:Agreed on both counts. The reason such has not already been done is because while many tutorials are poorly written or incomplete, most ''would'' be valuable written correctly. So we mark them with the delusion that we'll get back to them, fix them and/or finish them. Of course, that hasn't happened.
:Agreed on both counts. The reason such has not already been done is because while many tutorials are poorly written or incomplete, most ''would'' be valuable written correctly. So we mark them with the delusion that we'll get back to them, fix them and/or finish them. Of course, that hasn't happened.


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I can add a variable, not sure how to make a default - let me check.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:19, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
I can add a variable, not sure how to make a default - let me check.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:19, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
:Done - I added some extra stuff so it'll say "tomorrow", "later today" when appropriate.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:56, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
:Done - I added some extra stuff so it'll say "tomorrow", "later today" when appropriate.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:56, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
Oops, the tag didn't quite work as expected before. It would "reset" itself on the 1st of each month, didn't notice because I made the template on the first of June... Should be fixed now.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 14:43, 19 July 2008 (EDT)


===Deprecated Articles===
===Deprecated Articles===
I've also established a category and a template for [[:Category:Deprecated Articles]] (and <nowiki>{{Deprecated Article}}</nowiki>). This is for articles that are deprecated for some reason (erroneous, undesirable, outdated, etc.), but which we don't want to delete for some reason (historical, contains some useful info, etc.) --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 18:12, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
I've also established a category and a template for [[:Category:Deprecated Articles]] (and <nowiki>{{Deprecated Article}}</nowiki>). This is for articles that are deprecated for some reason (erroneous, undesirable, outdated, etc.), but which we don't want to delete for some reason (historical, contains some useful info, etc.) --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 18:12, 1 June 2008 (EDT)


== Colons and Namespaces ==
== Colons and Namespaces ==
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:::::Yes, very cool - that was the original intent. I'm removing the bits and pieces from the Scripting Tutorial category. I guess the same needs to be done with the Kits tutorial.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 19:03, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
:::::Yes, very cool - that was the original intent. I'm removing the bits and pieces from the Scripting Tutorial category. I guess the same needs to be done with the Kits tutorial.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 19:03, 3 June 2008 (EDT)


== Function Listing ==
== Function Listing ==
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Also, now that I've tried to not use the OBSE version categories I know why I liked them - When a new version of OBSE I tend to play with the functions, all around the same time. When I need a function, I remember that I played with it recently, or which version it was, before I remember what type of functions it was. So, yes, I still like the version categories.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 13:38, 8 July 2008 (EDT)
Also, now that I've tried to not use the OBSE version categories I know why I liked them - When a new version of OBSE I tend to play with the functions, all around the same time. When I need a function, I remember that I played with it recently, or which version it was, before I remember what type of functions it was. So, yes, I still like the version categories.--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 13:38, 8 July 2008 (EDT)


== COBL (and other mod mentions) ==
== COBL (and other mod mentions) ==
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::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:26, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:26, 2 June 2008 (EDT)


== Search Changes? ==


So... does the search now search substrings? It seems like it is for me - is everyone else seeing this?<br />
== 'See Also' Sections ==
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 12:07, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
 
I find these links incredibly useful but many pages are lacking them, or lacking the obvious ones that would go with those pages.  I have been adding them haphazardly to pages that I often view, but it would be good if it were general practice when adding new pages to add the appropriate See Also links to those pages.<br>
--[[User:Quetzilla|Quetzilla]] 13:28, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:I agree, but new pages are often added by people that are unfamiliar with the Wiki. It's hard to add see also links if you don't know what's available. This also counts for internal links, see the active discussion: [[Community Portal/General Cohesion Initiative]].
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 07:47, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
 
 
== Revamp of the 'Categories'  links ==
 
I was looking at Haama's new Category for the Projectile functions in 0015 and it struck me that in some cases we're going about categories the wrong way.  Currently you have to click a link at the bottom to get directed to a category page, but in many cases where the number of functions in a category is small it would be better if the category list was included inline via a template -- similar to the thing at the bottom of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KXVT-LP this page] (not the best example but hard to find one not on a long page).  That way the user can see related functions visually, and we could do away with a lot of the See Also sections (which are a pain to create individually anyway).  Thoughts?<br>
--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 11:50, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
:I've made an [[Template:Projectile Spells|example template]] for the Projectile Functions to show what I mean.  Can something like that be auto generated from the categories pages?  Either way I think it looks good, but I'm still a wiki noob :P.
:--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 12:46, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::Absolutely agreed. This doesn't make the categories redundant, but we should also include these things on the bottom of various pages. Good idea quetzilla!
::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 13:16, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::I think it would be too many links - you almost always want a part of the category, not the whole category. Also, the See Also section isn't so bad and, like the rest of it, just requires a bit of cut and paste.
::One similar issue, though - would it be helpful to write a "category" template that would automatically include each level of function categories (i.e., Functions, Magic Functions, Magic Functions (OBSE))?--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 13:21, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::I suppose listing an entire category is too much, but listing related functions makes the Wiki easier to navigate. This is different from the See Also section as this will only list pages in the same (unexisting smaller) category. I'm not talking about listing the categories we have now, but listing all Model/Icon/Biped path functions under those functions, that kind of thing. That way we can display this information in an organized way without making splitting up the categories too much.
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 13:43, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
: Yes, I don't mean the whole category when there are like 20-40 functions, but for groups like the projectile functions it makes it so much easier to see what's related to the function you are looking at, giving you an idea of what you can DO with the functions rather than just what the functions are.  I don't know if we have the ability to show/hide stuff like the example on wikipedia, but I think templates like the sample one would be much easier to maintain than see also links, when the function is in a group.  You could still use the See Also links when a function has something to do with a function/article outside of it's category.
: One good example here is the [[GetArrowProjectilePoison|GetArrowProjectileXXX]] functions.  Just from looking at those pages it would not be immediately clear that there are 5 other similar and related functions, and without the template the only way to illustrate that is to go in and place See Also links on all 8 pages.
:--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 14:22, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::Create templates as you find convenient, but I don't think it should be a general rule or would be a good idea for most functions.
 
::For example, DW linked [[GetArrowProjectilePoison]] with [[GetArrowProjectileEnchantment]] and [[GetArrowProjectileBowEnchantment]] because they all relate to the extra effects that an arrow can have. These 2 are important to know, and should have large, flashing neon signs pointing at them. There are still 6 other projectile functions, some are usually useful ([[GetProjectileType]], [[GetProjectileSource]]) and some not at all or only in specific situations (i.e., [[SetPlayerProjectile]]). These other 6 would only dilute the importance of the first 2, as you would have 8 functions to look through instead of 2. It can quickly spiral out of control, as well - should we include some/most/all magic functions on the [[GetMagicProjectileSpell]] article?
 
::Ok, that was enough of a warning - go for it. Place the templates in a common category (maybe "Function Groups") so we can find them, others can use them, etc. I'll look up some more on the templates - it would be cool if we could hide/show them (and maybe even auto-populate the template onto the necessary functions).
::--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 15:22, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::I see that point.  So how about this, See Also links for the functions specifically important to the function in question, and below that a template table of generally similar functions.  That way we can easily slap the template on to similar functions (the more links per page the better, imho), and then individuals can add specifically important stuff for each function.
:::I'll have a hand at it and see how it turns out -- will be easy to undo since it will basically be 1-2 lines per page max.
:::--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 16:23, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::::I'd prefer not to make any rules about what should go into See Also and what can be in a table at the bottom of the page. Let's just see how it goes.
::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:06, 23 August 2008 (EDT)


:I'm seeing it, and I like it.
:::::Meant it more as a suggestion...
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 14:15, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
:::::--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 17:55, 23 August 2008 (EDT)


::It doesn't search for the name in the page title, though. Search for "Press" and you won't get any of the '''Is...Pressed''' functions, however you will get the talk page for '''GetKeyPressed''' because its name is in the text. I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, but...--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 14:48, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
::::::Then I misunderstood. I don't think we should remove the functions from the See Also list if they're also included in the template table. I guess that's what you're suggesting, so I agree.
::::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 18:02, 23 August 2008 (EDT)


:::That's disappointing, but at least we can now search for substrings in the article's text.
Found two different templates that claim to show/hide
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 08:17, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hide Template:Hide]
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Show_hide_box Template:Show hide box]
Brain's a bit tired and fried at the moment, so I'll check them out after dinner. If anyone else wants to look, I suggest Google to wiki trees...
<br>--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 19:13, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
:The TOC box already show/hides... do we not have the code for that?
:--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 21:26, 23 August 2008 (EDT)


== 'See Also' Sections ==
::Looking through the links, they suggest a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox Navbox]... these are freakin' awesome. Qzilla, if you follow the templates to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Victoria_TX_TV] and edit that page you'll see the bottom box of your link is a Navbox, so this is what we're looking for. Now if we can just get it to [[Sandbox#Navbox_Tests|work]].
::--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 23:24, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
::Tried  the three different templates in the [[Sandbox]] - None of them worked. I just stumbled onto [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Collapsing Collapsable Tables] - might work but that's it for me for tonight.
::--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 23:58, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::The show/hide thing won't work because it depends on JavaScript from this page: [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], which is empty as you can see. We can't edit it. Of course we can request it, but is that necessary? I mean, the templates will work without show/hide if we copy them and I don't consider showing and hiding very important.
:::Something to look into is user specific JavaScript, like user styles: [[Special:MyPage/esstyle.js]]. If it works we can test things there and eventually ask GStaff for the changes to MediaWiki:Common.js.
:::The NavBox looks good, that's what we need here, but there are a lot of other Wikipedia templates embedded in that template. I think it's easier to recreate a similar template locally.
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 08:55, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::::Already asked about UserJS when I asked for UserCSS. That would be a definite 'no, absolutely not.' Much more likely for them to incorporate things into Common.js. Though I suppose if you want to research the potential risks/rewards of UserJS and present it to them, you might have a chance - I just kind of asked, without making much argument for it. You're welcome to try if you like.
 
::::Qazaaq and Haama, do you guys have Gstaff's e-mail address?
::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 11:36, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Navbox is looking good, Qazaaq. DW - yep, I still have the addresss, but no - I can't see the template code on the Diablo wiki.
:::::--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 17:07, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Oh, I missed this. Yes I have his address, I think he sent both of us an e-mail before making us sheriff. But anyone can e-mail him through his profile at the forums.
:::::As I said, I don't consider JavaScript very important. Why do you need a hide button on something that's on the bottom of the page? I could imagine you'd want to hide a very long ToC at the beginning of the page, but something at the bottom?
:::::I'm quite pleased with how the Navbox looks now and I don't think it needs any additional functions. At least not for how it's used now.
:::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:24, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::On "Hide" - sounds good.
 
::::::On Gstaff's e-mail: also good.
 
::::::On permissions at the BB - drr. They're kind of control freaks. Some of it makes sense, other things I wish they'd change. Aaannnyyway, I put a copy of it at [[User:DragoonWraith/Template:Categorize]].
::::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 17:33, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
 
Hide - ideally it would be nice, and I would love to see people connect any set of functions they wish, give it a good title, and add it to the appropriate function pages/templates. Realistically, there isn't enough input to expect this. Might be nice for big categories, but not really necessary.
<br>--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 00:04, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
 
 
===Categories, smategories===
 
Categories on this Wiki have been screwed up ever since Bethesda released it to the public. This has ''always'' been the case. Wrye's been crusading against it for a long time, and from some experiences I've had working on a brand-new Wiki, he's absolutely right. Categories are poorly used on this Wiki and it makes things very confusing for new users. Unfortunately, it will be exceedingly difficult to change anything at this point. Maybe if we had started from the get-go, but even then I'm not sure it would help.
 
By the way, at some point I intend to bring over some of the things I learned from that Wiki, including two Templates I made that I think make categorization and navigation ''much'' easier. If anyone would like to look at that Wiki, check [http://baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/wiki/Main_Page here].<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 15:09, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:You mean [http://baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/wiki/Template:Categorize this] - I was wondering how to do that :)
:--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 15:25, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::That and [http://baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/wiki/Template:Bc this], really. Mostly, it's just a matter of using template arguments. The source code should be visible even for non-members, I think... If not, I can move anything from there over to here.
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 16:44, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::Very nice, but I have to ask: Where can we use this? You're not suggesting we categorize the functions again, are you?
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:06, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::::No, but the Categorize tag could be used to make doing something like that much easier. In case at any point we want to recategorize.
 
::::The Bc template would probably be more useful. In reality for most of this Wiki, the categories perform the same operation - you can click the categories that an article is part of to "go back" and you click on categories contained within an article to "go forward". This is kind of a bastardization of the Wiki software, though, and is not intuitive for new users.
 
::::What I'm really suggesting is that I wish we, or Bethesda, really, had organized things differently in the beginning. But all of us, Bethesda included, were complete Wiki newbs when this started (and in reality, we still are, from what I've seen on Wikipedia - they have an extremely fluid system, even if it is abused by their own form of bureaucracy), and that didn't happen. Now, changing everything is a massively difficult proposition...
 
::::I wonder how flexible Wiki bots are, and whether or not we can use them here. That's something I've been meaning to look into, but haven't gotten around to. There are a number of reasons I'd like to do that...
::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 18:05, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::I think that's what we all wish. The template thing you made there is perfect, if we had something like that here two years ago, when we first started with the OBSE functions, things would look very different.
:::::Wikibots is something to look into, that's the only thing we can do here really. Manually changing things is not a realistic option.
:::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 18:35, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Did some testing with [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot the Python bot] today and it seems to be working. You can set the minimum time the bot waits between saving pages, but if we're going to replace a lot we should probably notify GStaff.
:::::I'm surprised by how easy it is to set it up, and that it works without safety. You can easily do ''a lot'' of damage with this thing...
:::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 07:37, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
 
 
== Bethesda thread upload? ==
 
#Do we want to place threads on the wiki, in case they become old and destroyed?
#If so, how? The short and simple download the x version (word or html) and upload doesn't really work.
<br>--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 10:07, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 
:My concern initially would be permissions, but...
:Why doesn't the "Download HTML version" work? I mean, sure, it won't be as simple as straight-up copy'n'paste from the file to a Wiki page, but it probably shouldn't be that hard.
 
:I'll try tinkering with it. Gotcha thread, yeah?
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 16:05, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 
::How is [[User:DragoonWraith/ThreadArchiveTest|this]]? (be sure to add the import to your style sheet and clear your cache)
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 17:12, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 
:::Looks good, did you change any of the HTML?
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 11:00, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 
::::Generally, no, just copied and pasted the entire <nowiki>'<div id="print">'</nowiki> block. I did change the coding for the top of it, for the link to the original thread, but that's minor. The code of every post remains the same.
::::Unfortunately, there is no (easy) way to support the emoticons or "snapback" tags. Other than that, though, it looks pretty good to me.
::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 12:30, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 
:::::It doesn't bother me much. Its an just an archive, if it's readable and easy to update it's good enough. Good job!
:::::Maybe a template could handle the text at the top. That would be something to think about before copying more threads.
:::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:36, 23 November 2008 (EST)
 
Or even an explanation of what to change, if it's pretty easy. Still haven't had a chance to look at it (had to handle some COBL stuff) - should be able to check tomorrow. Nights
<br>--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 03:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 
:OK, process:
 
:* Go to any thread, click Options, click Print This Topic
:* The printer-friendly version of the thread will load. In your browser, use the View Source command (View -> Page Source in Firefox; something similar in other browsers)
:* In the print-friendly page's source, you'll see some code, a comment about how it was generated by IPB, and then an ungodly amount of style changes. Scroll down a '''lot''' to the end of the style changes (marked by <nowiki></style></nowiki>), then after some JavaScript (<nowiki><script>...</script></nowiki>), the header section ends (<nowiki></head></nowiki>) and the body section begins (<nowiki><body></nowiki>).
:* Just inside the <body> tag, there is a tag that reads <nowiki><div id="print"></nowiki>. This div does not get closed until the very end of this thread (with a corresponding <nowiki></div></nowiki>), just before the <nowiki></body></nowiki> tag. Copy the ''entire'' <nowiki><div id="print"></nowiki> block (or, in other words, the entire contents of the body section), and paste it into a Wiki page.
:* The top of the thread has a single <nowiki><h1>, <h2>, and <h3></nowiki> each, used for "Printable version of the Topic", "Click here to see the original topic", and the thread title, respectively. These three should probably be changed to something more appropriate.
:* <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> is recommended.
 
:There should be a template to throw on the top warning people not to edit the page; as an archive it should not be touched. It shouldn't be locked, though, so new posts can be added to the archive relatively easily (maybe lock the page after the thread itself has been locked, or pruned? At any rate, I think that should satisfy permission concerns. I don't really have time to work on that at the moment, though. For now, the template should also have the information that I tossed in the box on my test page, about the CSS. I will speak to Gstaff about possibly getting it added to the global esstyle.css once I get some feedback from you guys (don't want to bug him about adding it if we're going to want to change it).
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 13:02, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 
::Oh, by the way, apparently when you use the Print Friendly version, it replaces all hyperlinks with just the URL (I suppose this makes some sense when you want to print the thread, but the fact that it also does the same when you download the HTML version of the thread is silly), which is kind of a bummer. Fixing that would only be possible manually, I think, which is unfortunate.
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 13:11, 24 November 2008 (EST)
 
 
== Need working examples: ==
 
wish you all would make scripts people actually use every day while modding, instead of these useless scripts that One person in TwoComeCarry Eygpt need's , and he probablly has not played the game in over a year.
 
sample example scripts like:
 
#Player is in combat, (need to script to get creature info, and number attacking. )
#How to stop combat, and script creature dispositions to level where can have dialog.
#identify creatures and script mod there animations.
#Tell people where the script need to be attached, Object, Quest, Spell, what ever.
#3 lines of a script with out any understanding of where the variables came from is a joke..
if( Dogbugger.GetWithTheProgram && FroggyPoot.LostHisWay) != I'mLost
  dosomethingstupid
endif
does not really help Oblivion starting Code Monkeys much.
 
I try to scearch this Wiki for good examples, and mostly all I get are Partial script pieces that don't work, or crash My Game, and leave me more confused than I was.
 
why has sO much time been spent on sOo little real help.
 
we need examples that work, and have enough code to know that you actually tested them, and that we can use to get them working.
 
I have found some things in here that were very useful, but for the most part it is like a 5 year old receipt from Wally world.
--[[User:Taglag|Taglag]] 19:43, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
 
:I understand your frustration; most examples explain syntax, not semantics. Adding semantic examples would greatly increase the usefulness of the function pages, but someone will have to come up with those. There's shortage of editors and an extraordinarily large number of functions. Unless you are willing to sacrifice a large amount of your time I don't see this happening. To learn how to script I'd recommend following the [[:Category:Scripting Tutorials|tutorials]], looking through the [[:Category:Useful Code|useful code section]] and asking for help on the {{forums}} instead.
:Last, but not least, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> or the signature button in the edit bar. I've done this for the comment you posted already. (It's also custom to indent once more than the person you're responding to, as I've done here.)
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:00, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
 
::Please, please, please, don't start paragraphs with spaces. That initiates code boxes and makes your comments nigh-impossible to read. I've removed them.
 
::Secondly, ''please'', use proper English grammar and spelling. We're volunteers here, and decyphering what you've written is ''not'' in our job descriptions. If you want help, make it easy for the people you are asking to understand what you are saying.
 
::Thirdly, the ''game itself'' comes with hundreds of scripts. These should provide all the examples that you need. If you're looking for something that does a basic task, look up a script from a quest that you know does that. If you are looking for how a particular function is used, check Edit->Find Text to search for scripts where that function gets used.
 
::Fourth, I just want to echo everything Qazaaq said, and recommend that you follow his advice.
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:57, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== [[Template: Wiki Contributor]] added ==
 
I added a new template to the list of [[:Category:Templates|Templates]]:[[Template: Wiki Contributor|Wiki Contributor]]. Wiki Contributors are users who contribute to this Wiki and help other users by fulfilling request about page updates if they need updating, new articles if necessary, etc. (if those users lack the skill to do so themselves).
<br>--[[User:Darkness X|Darkness X]] 12:22, 4 May 2010 (EDT)
 
== Template layout ==
 
I suggest changing the layout of the [[:Category:Article Tag Templates|Article Tag Templates]] by adding an appropriate image to those templates and changing the layout into [[Template:Featured|this template's layout]]. All templates should have an identical layout so they could be recognized quickly. I changed the [[Template:Errors|Errors Template]] to let you know what I mean:
 
<div id="catlinks" style="width: 90%; margin: 0.5em auto; border-style: dashed;"><div style="text-align: left; font-size: 1.2em;font-weight: bolder; letter-spacing: 0.25em; word-spacing: 0.5em;">Warning: Article May Contain Errors</div>
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<div style="float: left; margin: 5px 1em 5px 0.5em;">[[Image:FeaturedIcon.png|Featured Article]]</div>
 
This article is believed to contain incorrect or misleading information. Please see the Talk page for details. If you can correct the article, please do so...
 
<div style="clear: both;"></div>
 
</div>
 
<br>--[[User:Darkness X|Darkness X]] 16:35, 6 May 2010 (EDT)
 
:That's a good idea, but I'd suggest moving the title next to the icon.
 
<div id="catlinks" style="width: 90%; margin: 0.5em auto; border-style: dashed;">
 
<div style="float: left; margin: 5px 1em 5px 0.5em;">[[Image:FeaturedIcon.png|Featured Article]]</div>
<div style="text-align: left; font-size: 1.2em;font-weight: bolder; letter-spacing: 0.25em; word-spacing: 0.5em;">Warning: Article May Contain Errors</div>
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This article is believed to contain incorrect or misleading information. Please see the Talk page for details. If you can correct the article, please do so...
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:or centering the title, like the featured template.
 
<div id="catlinks" style="width: 90%; margin: 0.5em auto; border-style: dashed;"><div style="text-align: center; font-size: 1.2em;font-weight: bolder; letter-spacing: 0.25em; word-spacing: 0.5em;">Warning: Article May Contain Errors</div>
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<div style="float: left; margin: 5px 1em 5px 0.5em;">[[Image:FeaturedIcon.png|Featured Article]]</div>
 
This article is believed to contain incorrect or misleading information. Please see the Talk page for details. If you can correct the article, please do so...
 
<div style="clear: both;"></div>
 
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:I moved this to the CP as other editors (by this I mean DragoonWraith, but others are welcome to join in!) may have an opinion about this.
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 04:47, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
 
::Your first idea looks good! I'm going to change the layout of all the [[:Category:Article Tag Templates|Article Tag Templates]] for now (until a final conclusion has been made), I'll update the templates later if changes have been made ...
 
::I also have some experience with GIMP so I could create icons maching the CS Wiki style if you want me to do so (like I did with the [[Template:Bot|bot template]])?
::--[[User:Darkness X|Darkness X]] 11:16, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
 
:::That would be great! You're doing an amazing job organizing bits of the wiki, thanks!
:::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 05:33, 8 May 2010 (EDT)
 
== More Templates? ==
 
I found some interesting templates on the [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page UESP Wiki] recently. [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:User_Box_Templates User Box Templates]: templates that show personal information about a user: [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:User_current_age age], [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:User_Birthday birthday], [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:User_American country], [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Template:User_Male gender], etc...
 
Could this be used on this Wiki? The actual question is: do users really want to use those templates? Do they want to reveal that kind of personal information? Is this a good idea?<br>
--[[User:Darkness X|<span style="color:black;">Darkness</span> <span style="font-size:1.1em;color:black;">X</span>]] [[User talk:Darkness X|<sup><span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:45, 14 May 2010 (EDT)
 
== New tutorial? ==
 
I've just created a scripting tutorial, possible to see [http://www.invision.tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/topic/2669-tutorial-script-that-updates-your-leveled-items/ here]. Since I can't even find an option to create new page on this Wiki (usually I only need to type something in Search and then choose Create New Page...), I'm leaving this to be checked by more experienced users. It's useful, not useful, needs some improvement? I'll be happy for information. - [[User:ZuTheSkunk|ZuTheSkunk]] 10:41, 1 June 2010 (EDT)
 
:To create a new page you can search for the title. If you search for help for example, the first line reads: <small>You searched for [[help]]</small>
:Just click the red word help and you'll be directed to the help page, which doesn't contain any content yet. You can also fill in the title in the addressbar of your browser. To create a page with the title help you'd type this: http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/help. Note that you won't be editing the page immediately with this method, you need to click the edit button first.
:I don't have time to read the entire tutorial, but what I've seen looks ok. We'd be happy to have it on the Wiki.
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 14:28, 1 June 2010 (EDT)
 
== Objects with tilde in their names ==
 
I don't know where to ask about it, so I'll ask it here.
 
I've been recently wondering about vanilla objects that has tilde ("~") in their names. This character is not shown in-game, and from what I've been able to guess, he's some sort of forced carriage return or splitting of the name field. The example of item with tilde in his name is "Cursed Viper~Bane Cuirass" with ID "SEEnchEbonyCuirassResistPoison" (it is from SI, but there are also ones from stock OB). Is it mentioned somewhere on the site? If not, then maybe someone should check it further and add such mention? - [[User:ZuTheSkunk|ZuTheSkunk]] 03:40, 6 June 2010 (EDT)
 
== About removing bylines on mainspace articles ==
 
I don't think waiting any longer than we already have would make removing bylines any more appropriate. In two months we have given the original authors 5 years to respond; that should be plenty of time for anyone to formulate a response. I can't recall any author who has responded to this message.
 
However, [[:Template:Byline|the byline notice]] does not specifically warn against removal. It merely says: ''"Current rules do not allow bylines in mainspace articles"'' and calls for the original author to ''"comment on this in the Talk page."''.
 
Despite this I'm '''not opposed''' to the removal of bylines from all mainspace articles. Even though we did not specifically warn against removing them at some point none of the authors have responded. That signifies nothing but disinterest, in their articles, or the byline policy.
<br/>--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 16:57, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
:On occasion, I was inclined to edit a bylined article, but was inhibited by the "courtesy is expected" text, which, in my dictionary, reads "don't touch it".
:I am in favor of removing the byline and the byline notice. We could add a note to the respective talk page mentioning the original author and thank him/her for the contribution. 
:We must consider, also, that, being that old, many are pretty much deprecated (e.g. [[Linked List Tutorial]] and [[Activation Functions]]) while others are full of broken links (e.g. [[3ds Max: Tileset]])
:[[User:QQuix|QQuix]] 19:08, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
::OK, a few points to consider, mostly historical in nature.
 
::# "Courtesy is expected" does not mean and was not intended to mean "don't touch it" &ndash; it means literally that you should respect the original author if he or she can be found. I wrote that tag originally, so I would know. In fact, we were ''hoping'' that the line would, itself, ''encourage'' authors to edit the article, since it explicitly said that they could even though it was bylined. Bylines, prior to the warning being added to the page, struck many as claiming ownership, which is not (and never has been) allowed on this Wiki.
::# While I agree that authors have had a very long time to respond, the fact of the matter is that there was never a systematic attempt to contact them, and as a result, there may be authors who have not been ignoring the notice for five years &ndash; they have been ''unaware'' of it for five years. Which is not the same thing, and moreover copyright definitely does not expire in five years even if you ignore it.
::# While the authors ''do not'' have copyright on their contributions here, they may have contributed ''believing that they did'' due to a lack of clarity here at the time. The original decision with respect to bylines was that we would give those contributors the benefit of a "courtesy copyright" insofar as they could choose to remove the page in its entirety if they did not agree with the new enforcement of the rules. Note that contributors do not generally have the right to remove their work once submitted to the Wiki.
::# We have long had a policy (sadly undocumented, most likely) of removing bylines when they are no longer accurate, i.e. that one author is not the only significant contributor to a page because later editors have (courteously) updated and improved upon it. Since this is ''exactly'' what we want people to do, it makes sense in that case to remove the byline.
::# Deprecated or simply poor articles should be deleted or rewritten, no matter who wrote them originally or what name they may have appended to them. In such cases, a rewrite would certainly qualify for byline removal under the fourth point (such a rewrite is sufficient but definitely not necessary for byline removal).
::# Dev_akm's FAQ was originally made an exception to all of the rules regarding article ownership. As a mirror of the forum thread, it actually ''was'' "his" as opposed to being a publicly-editable page. There was a brief attempt to mirror more threads in a similar fashion, which would have had similar rules, but that (as far as I am aware) never went beyond my playing with some stylesheets and templates.
 
::OK, all that done with, I'd generally say that I'm not sure that the original decision was the right one (even though I agreed with it at the time). The fact of the matter is, authors never had any rights to what they submitted to this Wiki. While the Wiki tolerated the ''appearance'' of people taking ownership of articles (i.e. bylines), no attempt to actually exercise that ownership would have been permitted (though, to my knowledge, no such attempt was ever made, though I recall at least one contributor who stated he would have attempted it if someone had tried to edit "his" articles).
 
::The submission page has always said
:::<div style="background-color: #eee4cc; border: black 1px dashed; padding: 1em; margin-left: -1em;">Please note that all contributions to The Elder Scrolls Construction Set Wiki may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.<br/>You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[Project:Red_link|CSwiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!'''</div><small>(Note the red link on CSwiki:Copyrights for the source of the original problem. This was rectified at the same time these decisions were made, which is why I faked the red link in the quote &ndash; the project namespace wasn't "CSwiki" either it was some ungodly long string.)</small>
 
::In all honesty, there was never a good reason to expect that bylines were OK or that articles could be owned &ndash; it simply happened that some people did it and no one stopped them, and it became something that some contributors took for granted and never read the warning in the submission window.
 
::But it's been five years, and that's an awful lot of courtesy to extend to people who were effectively breaking the rules, for all they were most likely unaware and also were contributing to the Wiki.
 
::So, in short, I am '''in favor''' of removing the bylines and the warnings and being done with this whole fiasco.
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:13, 20 June 2012 (EDT)
 
:::Just throwing in my hat with the rest you guys' - '''In favor''' of removing the bylines.<br/>[[User:Shademe|shadeMe]] <b><sup>[[User_talk:Shademe|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]]</sup></b> 07:22, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
::::OK. I will do it.  How about a note in the Talk page mentioning the original author? Is it necessary?
::::The deprecated articles I noticed are not exactly deprecated, as they may still be helpful to someone not willing to use OBSE. As for the ones with broken links, being  3dMax tutorials , it is hard to tell if they are still useful without the missing images.
::::Anyway, I will keep a eye for those and tag them accordingly. [[User:QQuix|QQuix]] 06:53, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
::::P.S. Did a few. Feel free to change/revert/whatever, as you seem fit. 16:34, 23 June 2012 (EDT)
 
==Getting Started vs. Basic Concepts==
I've been looking into some of the 'fundamentals' articles and I think they should be packed together in a Category, making them easier to find and to refer to (articles like Reference, FormID, Esp vs. Esm and such). I am considering calling it "Basic Concepts", unless you suggest a better name.


I find these links incredibly useful but many pages are lacking them, or lacking the obvious ones that would go with those pages.  I have been adding them haphazardly to pages that I often view, but it would be good if it were general practice when adding new pages to add the appropriate See Also links to those pages.<br>
Then there is the [[:Category:Getting Started|Getting Started]] category, which also applies to this kind of articles. Poll: should these articles be on both categories or should "Basic Concepts" be a subcategory of Getting Started? Any thoughts? [[User:QQuix|QQuix]] ([[User talk:QQuix|talk]]) 07:26, 29 July 2012 (EDT)
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