Talk:A beginner's guide, lesson 1 - The Construction Set Primer

Tom - This is great, love the personal introduction, and you're doing a good job of breaking down the basics. These are the kinds of contributions that are going to keep this wiki and the TES modding community going strong. Thanks. JBurgess 16:30, 3 May 2006 (EDT)

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No Objects in Object Window

Hi sorry for the english but I try everything and there is no object in my object window! And I need objects to be able to do mods. Everybody told me I should have it. I installed the construction set and start it and wanted to start a modding but I had nothing. Please help me! Thanks --Cjroyg 4:51, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Did you load Oblivion.esm? It contains all of the content that Bethesda made for the game. Go to File>Data, in the window that pops up double click Oblivion.esm to select it, then click ok to load it. --Speedo 20:36, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Inflating Zlib files

Ok I am having a problem too with the master file. When I go into data and double check it everything goes fine until the warning. It says ERROR inflating Zlib files. Then I click yes like the tutorial says to do and it closes my CS..... PLEASE HELP --OblivionFreak13 03:44, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Mods won't load

So my problem is that the mods simply don't seem to load. I was taking the first lesson and when i went to test my mod it didn't seem to appear. I loaded my game traveled to the inn and entered in but there didn't seem to be a change. I've noticed this with a couple of other mods i downloaded. It just doesn't seem to take effect. And yes it is installed and the box is checked on the data files before loading the game. --Mexifry16 19:59, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

You're probably using the latest version of the CS (1.2), and a previous version of Oblivion. Patch Oblivion to 1.2 and all mods should work. On another note, please sign your comments with ~~~~ (creates a signature you see below), or by pressing the signature button.

--Qazaaq 11:31, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I have a query as i have this same problem as well, but when i try to update the game (to Shivering Isles v1.2.0416) it says: 'Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was found. No update done since file contents do not match.' I have not updated my game before, but i do have GOTY. Any help would be greatly appreciated --Ceolgar 15:30, 13 January 2010 (EST)

I have exactly the same problem as Ceolgar, does anyone know what the problem is? I'm running windows 7 64 bit. Ezzie502 06:06, 31 January 2011 (EST)

The Game of the Year edition comes fully patched.

Dragoon Wraith TALK 20:38, 31 January 2011 (EST)

Incorrect information about deletion?

This might be a problem with my game but it is a new install. I was following your tutorial and got to the bit about items on the bar and... I have no items on the bar, so I decided to use items on a table. I followed the instructions to go to the cell window and delete the option by right clicking but on doing that I found selecting Edit->Undo didn't work.

Is this information correct? I have found another version of this guide at http://www.veronahouse.co.uk/page48.html And it seems to give the correct instructions which suprises me as I would have expected this guide to be the most up to date. Would be interested to know what this is about, especially as this is quite misleading for newbies to the Construction Set. --Llamageddon 21:12, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Well, I fixed that error, I think it's right now. Thanks for bringing it up.

As for "most up to date", that would be up to dtom, and he hasn't been around here in a looong time. So this is maintained by members here, but there aren't really that many members here, unfortunately. If you are interested, I strongly recommend reading Welcome to the Wiki, and encourage you to feel free to fix any errors you see!

Thanks again for the tip!

Dragoon Wraith TALK 13:07, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Wrong Key Combo for Rotation

Hey, this is my first post here. I just noticed that the Rotation didnt work properly with the keys mentions; Tom says y + RHM = rotate along the y-axis, I found that in my CS that the default was y-axis rotation, and had to use z + RHM for z-axis rotation, and x + RHM for x-axis rotation. Im using a laptop mouse, so maybe its just that, but I'd thought I'd post it anyways. Mc teo 05:41, 1 November 2009 (EST)

Welcome to the Wiki! Posting here and making the necessary change to the article is the attitude we need!

There could be two reasons for the key-problem:

• You're not talking about the same axis. With the Y axis Tom means the green axis pointing in a horizontal direction (from a gameworld perspective).
• Or you're using a german keyboard. A default german keyboard layout has the Z and Y keys switched compared to a QWERTY layout. The CS may assume a QWERTY layout, resulting in switched keys when moving the axis.

It's important to understand why this is happening in order to correctly update the article.

--Qazaaq 15:57, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Invalid Directory

i'm on a new windows 7 computer trying to make my first mod. i can get everything about the mod itself working fine, but every time i try to save it just tells me "invalid directory". nothing else. i've saved just about everywhere i'll remember and i can't get it to work. any ideas? all my mod is is adding a modded ring to the imperial subbterrain, i can get the ring made (havent been able to get it to have a image or graphic yet, but i don't want to see me wear it anyway)Akbaroth 00:06, 14 December 2009 (EST)

You have to save the plugin file in the Data directory. The default is C:\Program Files\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Data. If you have a 64-bit installation it's C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Data. Neither of these default install folders are convenient when making mods on Windows Vista and Windows 7. These feature a layer of protection that prevents programs from making changes to the Program Files directory. See Windows Vista for any workarounds.

--Qazaaq 05:19, 14 December 2009 (EST)

No Cells

when i load the oblivion file there are no cell options in interior cells, and in tamriel there is only one, wilderness, but it has no objects or dimensions in it.

Creating a Persistent Reference

Two questions

1. When/Why do you need to create a new persistent reference? Is there particular instances when you should always use them?

2. Are there any instances where you should avoid using them?

thanks

Pendraia 22:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

The answer to 2 is easier, so I'll start with that - you shouldn't use persistent references unless you need them for some reason, simple as that. Actors default to persistent, and usually should be, though generic baddies might not need it.

Other than that, persistence is necessary when you want something else to be able to refer to the reference from somewhere else. A script, a quest, an AI package, if they have to use the reference and you cannot guarantee that they will only ever be run in the same cell as the reference, that reference needs to be persistent. Oblivion only loads a certain number of cells at a time, and referencing anything that not loaded will cause a crash. Flagging the reference persistent means that Oblivion will always keep it in memory - which means it's constantly using memory, so don't use it unless necessary, but also means that scripts/quests/AI can use the reference even when the player's in a different cell.

Does that clarify things?

Dragoon Wraith TALK 13:39, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

Yes, that makes sense. Thanks for the help.

Pendraia 18:53, 10 July 2010 (EDT)