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==Talk==
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'''Hey Again'''
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==Mod Discussion==
Hey man, hows the year been for you? I apologize for ditching you last Summer. I had a reason, but it wasn't right to just drop everything without trying to finish. I've got some more time this Summer to do some modding; in fact, I am putting the finishing touches on a couple of mods. Just wondering if you are still modding or not. Heard you started working for Silgrad Tower.--[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 23:19, 4 June 2007 (EDT)


:Thanks for the suggestion. I have one more thing to do on my mod. I'll send you the link when its done (hopefully tonight). Maybe you could do a 5-10 minute beta test if it isn't too much a hassle.
:Sorry for the delay in replying. I never saw this until now. O_O  I guess I never logged in since before June.  Kind of hard to believe. Didn't seem that long...


:I'm still modding, and I've still got that dungeon for the Underground Smithy mod (well, somewhere anyway, give me a chance to find it :P).  There's also a utility out that will help with merging files called TESGecko.


Sure, no problem. I've finished practically every quest in the game, and so I'm dying for something new to try.  I should be able to beta test it today or tomorrow sometime. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 21:40, 8 June 2006 (EDT)
:You're right about Silgrad Tower. I've been helping out for a while.  I've been learning a lot of different things about modding.
:[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 14:13, 14 August 2007 (EDT)


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:[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] The mod is done and on my talk page. It might take a day for them to upload the files. (update) Download works now.
Dragon, you were left a message regarding [[World Space: Cluttering the land|this tutorial]] - I've moved it to that page's Talk page, because I a. think that's more appropriate, and b. someone else may have the answer before you get the chance to answer.<br />
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 14:47, 24 July 2007 (EDT)


:Yah, I forgot to put the normal maps in the first download so I had to take it down and redo it. It was a pretty careless mistake. Tell me how it works out for you.
:I see the message, and I'm glad you moved it since I probably wouldn't have noticed until now, and it is a more appropriate place. Thanks.
:[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 14:16, 14 August 2007 (EDT)


I think I got it to work just as they finished posting it on the website, as there's nothing wrong with the armor for me.  Just a sec... I'll tell you about the first session in a minute. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 23:27, 9 June 2006 (EDT)
== World Building ==


I will expand on the good vs. suggestions, you can remove them after you've read them if you want.  Overall, I found the general plot very good, but maybe ''some'' room for improvement.
Do you know of a way to make a worldpace without having made it the cs takes forever to save? --[[User:Odd.bod|Odd.bod]] 11:34, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
 
 
GOOD
 
:Great idea to have Vodunius Nuccius (or whatever his name is) back.  His name sounded so familiar, but I couldn't quite remember from where in Morrowind, so it is good you gave the player a refresher.
 
:Good idea on the ''worthy'' thing.  Just so you know, Daedric and Dwemer are two entirely different civilizations, so I'm a little confused as to why the armor is daedric of dwemer design?
 
:I got two of the armor sets, the judge one and the light one, but not the other two.  I'm guessing the dark armor is for an infamy value, and the warlord is if you complete every faction quest?
 
 
SUGGESTIONS
 
:Maybe you could lower the well entrance a little?  I couldn't really tell how to get inside until I got up close.
 
:Have someone direct you to the Underground Smithy?
 
:I've noticed that Vodunius uses doors a lot, meaning he travels between his different rooms a fair bit...  Like every 5 seconds he dissapears to another area.
 
:How about some cool perks on the armor?  Scripted or Enchanted?
 
:Getting the ring wasn't too hard to do...
 
:Maybe the paralysis shouldn't last '''as''' long?  Maybe 5 seconds or something around that?
 
:Dialogue-> I think I could click on the End Conversation button while he awaited the answer "Not Really".
 
:It is kind of greenish inside the smithy, maybe you could make it a little darker?
 
Hope it helps...
 
--[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 23:53, 9 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Thanks for testing it! You are correct on the ways to earn the other two suits. I know the daedric and dwemer are much different, but the Dwemer are the only ones I knew to have built many things and leave around lots of plans and diagrams. I felt a bit wierd about the idea too. Basically, I tried to make the assumption that just since they were daedric models they aren't necessarily related to the daedric people. I probably should spend a bit more time working the story out as far as that tidbit goes. His pathing, I couldn't get him to act like a normal person with all the wandering. I could lower his energy-that might make him stop changing packages so often. I didn't add enchantments to the armor because I wanted them to act as base suits for whatever enchantments the player wants to put on them. Adding some script effects could definitely be cool. For the ring part, picking up the ring sets off a trap that does about 400 damage that can be mitigated with preventative magic. It doesnt work with God mode, and Im not really sure at what point player's reach the 400 health mark. I was trying to restrict lower level characters from picking it up. The paralysis accompanies the damage, but I could lower it to 10-15 seconds. I didn't mess with lighting too much- I could improve that, and I'll take a look at the "Not really" option again. Thanks again for your comments!
--[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 00:18, 10 June 2006 (EDT)
 
My character's a level 29 Custom class with 409 health total, perhaps you should lower the damage a bit?  Well, actually, while I was testing it, I didn't notice any change in health, probably because of the reflect-damage enchantments which I found in enchanted items mainly in Oblivion Planes.  You could also consider making a unique texture icon for the armor, so it easier to tell which is which in menu mode. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 13:00, 10 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:I'm currently in the process of revamping the mod that you tested for me. I've pretty much followed all the advice you gave me, and I'm giving the armors shader effects that can be toggled on and off by wearing a ring. The only problem is making the shader effects look good. When I finish, I'll upload it back to Oblivion Source if you want to take a look. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 20:43, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:The only problem with using vodunius as a common ground is that i am horrified by the tediousness of doing voices anymore. I do have a good idea so that I can avoid more voices but make the entire thing fit together and make it more robust. If you are able to make a dungeon, that would add an aspect to my side of the mod that was previously absent. You could place your armor on a corpse at the end of your dungeon and make it difficult to attain, and I could leave an entry in vodunius' journal (new addition) that describes an incident he had while he was a member of the imperial guard. It would talk about your dungeon and about how he lost a comrade there. Since I had already set it up so that he was the top imperial city blacksmith, and since they were both guards, and since your armor is a variation of the imperial armor, we could say in the journal entry that his friend perished in the depths of your dungeon wearing the first suit of armor vodunius had ever crafted for a friend. That, I think, would make for an AWESOME merged mod! --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 21:15, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
 
 
Sure, my dungeon is an Imperial Sewer type, and maybe Imperial Ruin (ID prefix) for the second part, so maybe we could say he was trying to kill vampires or bandits or something underneath the Imperial City.  I'll see what I can do for the glowing effect of the armor.  Or better yet, we could have a Very Hard level lock in the new basement of the Legion offices and place the ring behind it.  The alternative could be to have a secret entrance into the office itself from the end of my dungeon.  This would mean that Vodunius would mention it, then we might as well create voices for Bartering, so we could have dozens of sets of armor.[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 21:24, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:I've added a bit of story to the ring in my new release. It is what actually makes the shader effects work, and you have to kill vodunius to get it (for the second time, that is). --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 21:31, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Do you know how to make Glow Maps? --The Imperial Dragon
 
:I don't know how to "make them", but I know how to get them if you are using a pre-existing mesh. Just copy the old glow map from the texture you're modifying (the _g.dds original file with the texture you modified). Its done the same way as normal maps (_n.dds). Just change the filename to (whatever your filename is )_g.dds. If you're making your own 3d models, i'm not sure. I've finished my plugin, anyhow. I'm going to upload it to the site and update my user page with the link if you wanna try it out. Any idea when you will finish your mod so we can look at how the merging process works? --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 01:53, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
I'll probably be done sometime over the weekend.  I'm going to be finished my exams by the 26th (I think), so I'm going to have a lot of time after that in case I don't get my mod finished by this weekend.  As for the glow maps, I was going to put a glow map on dwarven "Ice" armor, but maybe glass "Ice" armor will do. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 02:08, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:The glow map matches the contours and shape of the .nif mesh. Glow maps are all about the shape rather than the texture. If you are modifying a dwarven armor I suggest using the default dwarven glow maps; if modifying glass armor, use the glass glow maps. If you use the wrong glow maps, bad things can happen. For example, if it is supposed to glow on the shoulders of the armor, it might glow on the neck instead, or weird stuff like that. Oh, and when you said you were going to add glow to the armor, did you mean effect shaders or glow maps? --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 02:23, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
I meant a shiny effect, like glass armor shines against a light source, a spit polished surface.  I figured that's the glow map because Glass and Daedric are the only armor types I know of that have this effect and they both have glow maps.[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 02:30, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Maybe theres a thread somewhere about making glow maps. You might try the plastic wrap filter effect in Photoshop. I always remember that produced an effect that looked like glowmaps. Then when you save, look at other glowmap settings and use the same ones.
:My mod is up at http://www.oblivionsource.com/?page=modforge&op=viewproject&project_id=509
Check out the shader effects, if you get that far lol. Its kinda tricky. Also, search his room. There are 2 new books that explain some things about the lore. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 02:35, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
 
Well, like I said, I've done practically every quest in the game, and I already got offered the glow dust for the Warlord's armor.  I'll have a look at it sometime later  today or tomorrow (depending on your time zone.  Right now it's almost 2:30 in the morning, so I'm a little bit tired.) Thanks for the link and the advice.[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 02:42, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Sure thing, look forward to seeing your mod. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 02:46, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
 
And before I forget again, I'm not sure you're aware of this, as I forgot to mention it (sorry about that) but the Daedric helms can have certain objects equipped over them (like hoods, gray cowl, etc...).  Make sure that they are biped for both the face and the hair maybe? I just looked at one of the comments on the mod, and that reminded me.[[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 02:49, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Ok, thanks for letting me know. I fixed it. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 18:09, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
I've had an idea, the sewers can connect to a burial underneath the legion compound, where Vodunius' friend is buried (in a coffin so that I can have the armor leveled).  Coincidentially, there's a secret passage in the burial that leads to the basement of the Armory, or Legion Offices, or wherever the ring is.  For now, I'll try your updated version of the plug-in. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 19:49, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
I'm not sure if it was something I did or not, but Vodunius doesn't have topics anymore. I wanted to ask about the Glow Dust, but I can't for some reason. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 20:11, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Some people were saying they couldn't talk to him at all. I hope I can find the source of this error. If you are trying to load a save from before, it might be screwing up because some things were changed. Id suggest restarting the quest on an old save and see if that works. For shortcuts use MoveToQT. The idea about the connecting sewers sounds cool to me. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 20:57, 16 June 2006 (EDT)
 
You were asking about glow maps earlier. See the tutorial\page(?) called NifSkope Alchemy and look at the section on Glow Maps. That might be what you were looking for. As for the leveled lists, I'm not sure I'm clear on what you mean. Do you mean have different sets of armor depending on the level of the player? For your effect shaders, I've been messing with those a lot. Why don't you give me a link to the file and I'll see what kind of settings should achieve the 'glowing hot' effect. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 22:26, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:I've got it on the Fire Shield shader right now, and it looks alright (in my opinion), but it could be better.  I'll try and get the thing ready for downloading and then we'll see what you can do about the armor.  I've gone through about four different textures, and now I'm satisfied with the base texture.  Messed around a lot with the colours too.  Anyway, it is WarmArmor you want in the Armor subheading, when I get the download working that is. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 22:35, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
I'll try to make a new effect shader based on the fire shield then. I'll just make it pulse a bit. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 22:51, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:That was exactly what I wanted to do, but didn't know how.  That'd be great, thanks! [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 22:53, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
 
Right, I think I got this right, it is the first time I've actually done this myself.  It is a ZIP file, just so you know.
 
Let me know if you manage to get the file, so I can congratulate myself on figuring it out so fast.
 
Also, if you wanted to see the sewer part of the dungeon, it is ImperialSewerSystemImpHQ01, and the second part which I just started is ImperialSewerSystemImpHQ02. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 23:06, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Congratulations on getting the file uploaded correctly. I'm gonna take a look. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 23:09, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
The boots already have the script I was testing on them, and there's a pair of these boots in the Market District of the Imperial City, where I usually test new stuff. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 23:13, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:The only problem about effect shaders is that the membrane shaders affect the entire body, even your face. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 23:38, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Well, there's no problem with having the effect shader when the armor is not in the player's inventory (on the ground I mean).  It looks alright like that, but there's still the issue about when it is equiped. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 23:41, 17 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:[http://rapidshare.de/files/23372043/Crypts.esp.html Here's]the link to the esp file with the new effect shader. Did my best and I think it achieves the effect you were looking for, for the most part. If you only want the pulsating red, just turn off the particle shader. If you know how to make the effect shaders only affect the piece of armor, that would make it better, because otherwise when you equip the boots, your whole body glows. The way I did it in my mod was when the player had the full suit equipped, the effect shader started. If you can do each piece of armor somehow, that would be much better. The effect shader is called WarmEffect and i updated the script on the boots for it, though I think i deleted the "on the ground" part 8X. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 01:13, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Thanks, I've got the crypt layout almost finished, so then I'll have to put in the doors and a lot of other stuff.  It might be finished tomorrow or Monday if things go really well, but don't count on it. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 01:27, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:You could make the fire flicker slower by raising both the particle lifetime and the full particle birth time from .3 to about .5 to .9. Just make sure not to change the ramp up and ramp down time from 0 and to keep the particle lifetime and full birth time equal to each other. To make it pulse slower, which might be difficult, you should change the alpha pulse frequency on the membrane shader, perhaps lower it. I haven't tested this part enough to understand it, because sometimes i lower it and it goes faster and sometimes i raise it and it goes faster, but that should control the speed, nevertheless. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 16:22, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Hmm..difficult question. You could have it lead to both of them, so instead of a key to the armory, they get a key to the secret cellar of the offices, so they have to go through the basement and through your dungeon and on a sidepath they can get to the armory to get the ring, and then the main path of the dungeon leads to your armor. That would make the ring quest pose more of a challenge and also give the inquisitive traveler a much greater reward. -I'll be back later, gonna hit up the ymca. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 16:41, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Haha, you've got two OnEquip blocks instead of one OnEquip block and one OnUnequip block. Also, doesn't it work if you just play the shader OnEquip and stop it OnUnequip without the BootsE variable? And, on the GameMode block, you should probly put a doOnce on the PlayMagicShaderVisuals and reset it in MenuMode to save memory so it doesnt try to play the shader every frame: So, basically this:
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scn WarmBoot05script
 
short doOnce
 
Begin Gamemode
    if doOnce == 0
        PlayMagicShaderVisuals WarmEffect
        Set doOnce to 1
    endif
End
 
Begin MenuMode
    if doOnce == 1
        StopMagicShaderVisuals WarmEffect
        Set doOnce to 0
    endif
End
 
Begin OnEquip
player.PlayMagicShaderVisuals WarmEffect
player.addspell WarmBoot05
End
 
Begin OnUnequip
player.StopMagicShaderVisuals WarmEffect
player.removespell WarmBoot05
End
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:--[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 20:48, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Wait, did you say you merged both the mods together already? First of all, how fast are you working. Second of all, how did you merge them? I thought it required a 3rd party program. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 20:51, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Thanks for fixing the script.
 
Obviously, I was a little unclear the first time.  I only copied (pen, paper and keyboard) the effect shader to my plug in, and that's it (what I meant by ''manually'' merging).  For the first question, I'm probably working way too fast. [[User:TheImperialDragon|The Imperial Dragon]] 20:56, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Maybe tomorrow or the next day I'm gonna release a new spell pack with some more spells I thought up. I bet you'll like 'em. I also figured out that my frame rate got cut in half because I doubled the game resolution. I learn something every day. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 21:14, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Sounds good to me man. About the framerate with the armor during gameplay, I was sure that the doOnce thing would fix it. That is wierd. I did hear about a program that could merge the mods, though. Its called TES4Plugin Utility. Since I need to do some work on my end to make the two stories work, I can merge 'em when all is finished. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 02:51, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:Don't work too fast now. I've been testing my hand at the 3d modeling game today. Takes loads of time. Thank god I'm done with this piece. Wonder if i'll ever get it imported into the game correctly. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 03:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 
Did you see that site for the Silgrad Tower stuff? They claim cells and build the interiors to contribute. I think i'm gonna jump on the bandwagon once I finish my current stuff. You should too. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 15:52, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
 
:I made a model of a missile and it looks pretty good (im new to 3ds max). The problem is that I can't get the whole "bake the texture into the nif" thing working so that NifSkope shows the model with the texture. I just don't know anything about channels and alpha and diffuse and all that mumbo jumbo. If I could figure this out, I would start modeling for them. I posted my error at [[Talk:Custom Weapons with Nifskope]].
 
Thanks for rearranging my talk page. God knows how unkempt it could have become. For making the boss' fade effect, doesn't the SetActorAlpha function work? If you are talking about making him slowly fade in instead of all at once, just use a framerate animation. Here's the code:
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ScriptName ActivatorScript
 
Begin (Condition)
 
    if (Player performs condition)
        Set BossQuest.activateBoss to 1
    endif
 
End
 
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ScriptName BossQuestScript
 
short activateBoss
float fQuestDelayTime
 
Begin GameMode
 
  Set fQuestDelayTime to .001
 
End
 
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ScriptName BossScript
 
float alphaValue
 
Begin OnLoad
 
  SetActorAlpha 1.0
  Set alphaValue to 1.0
 
Begin GameMode
 
  if BossQuest.activateBoss == 1
      Set alphaValue to alphaValue - ( GetSecondsPassed / 100 ) 
                                    ;Lowering the 100 value increases fade speed
                                    ;Increasing the 100 value decreases fade speed
      if alphaValue < 0
          Set BossQuest.activateBoss to 0
      endif
      SetActorAlpha alphaValue
  endif
 
End
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Doing it this way assures the animation stays at relatively the same rate between computers of differing graphic speeds. --[[User:Omzy|Omzy]] 20:53, 22 June 2006 (EDT)

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Hey Again

Hey man, hows the year been for you? I apologize for ditching you last Summer. I had a reason, but it wasn't right to just drop everything without trying to finish. I've got some more time this Summer to do some modding; in fact, I am putting the finishing touches on a couple of mods. Just wondering if you are still modding or not. Heard you started working for Silgrad Tower.--Omzy 23:19, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Sorry for the delay in replying. I never saw this until now. O_O I guess I never logged in since before June. Kind of hard to believe. Didn't seem that long...
I'm still modding, and I've still got that dungeon for the Underground Smithy mod (well, somewhere anyway, give me a chance to find it :P). There's also a utility out that will help with merging files called TESGecko.
You're right about Silgrad Tower. I've been helping out for a while. I've been learning a lot of different things about modding.
The Imperial Dragon 14:13, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Dragon, you were left a message regarding this tutorial - I've moved it to that page's Talk page, because I a. think that's more appropriate, and b. someone else may have the answer before you get the chance to answer.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 14:47, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

I see the message, and I'm glad you moved it since I probably wouldn't have noticed until now, and it is a more appropriate place. Thanks.
The Imperial Dragon 14:16, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

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Do you know of a way to make a worldpace without having made it the cs takes forever to save? --Odd.bod 11:34, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

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