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==Example Discussion== | |||
--[[User:JustTim|JustTim]] 18:26, 27 April 2006 (EDT) : Slserpent, you've messed up the Example! The old Version was correct, yours is not! | --[[User:JustTim|JustTim]] 18:26, 27 April 2006 (EDT) : Slserpent, you've messed up the Example! The old Version was correct, yours is not! | ||
ok, i guess if you like counting backwards, it works. the only problem is timer isn't initialized, so it always goes to the else. and i should have put 'if timer < 2' in my version--my bad. -slserpent | :ok, i guess if you like counting backwards, it works. the only problem is timer isn't initialized, so it always goes to the else. and i should have put 'if timer < 2' in my version--my bad. -slserpent | ||
::In my opinion, the information in the article isnt '''extremely'''/comprehensively useful. It took me about 2 days worth of work to iron the kinks out of using a timer in my script. This coming from a fair self-taught, no programming/IT background scripting expertise (I've usually got the goods to get the job done) and a considerable help from the community here. I would like to extract information from the script posted below (Antares Complete Working Script) and put it in the article under '''Example 3'''. Thoughts? Anyone think that the article isnt as helpful as it could be? | |||
::--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 12:37, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
== Help == | |||
Having trouble implementing this in my script. I am trying to make a statue of the player and I want to call the '''SkipAnim''' Command on him but only after any weapon has finished being drawn. (Thus the need for '''GetSecondsPassed'''. Here is my code | Having trouble implementing this in my script. I am trying to make a statue of the player and I want to call the '''SkipAnim''' Command on him but only after any weapon has finished being drawn. (Thus the need for '''GetSecondsPassed'''. Here is my code | ||
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If AnimTimer > 2 | If AnimTimer > 2 | ||
RSPlayerStatue.skipanim ; prevent him from breathing | |||
endif | endif | ||
If OneStatue == 1 | If OneStatue == 1 | ||
RSPlayerStatue.pms EffectStone | |||
endif | endif | ||
If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | ||
Message "Please remove current statue first" | |||
endif | endif | ||
If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | ||
set RSPlayerStatue to player.CreateFullActorCopy | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setscale 2 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.removeItem torch02 100 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.moveto RSPlayerStatueHereRef | |||
RSPlayerStatue.SetAlert 1 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setghost 1 | |||
Set OneStatue to 1 | Set OneStatue to 1 | ||
Set AnimTimer to ( AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed ) | Set AnimTimer to ( AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed ) | ||
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If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | ||
Message "No statue to remove" | |||
endif | endif | ||
If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | ||
Message "Statue removed" | |||
Set OneStatue to 0 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.DeleteFullActorCopy ;not sure which of these lines work as they act as a return function | |||
DeleteFullActorCopy ; but meh it achieves the desired effect | |||
endif | endif | ||
If button == 1 | If button == 1 | ||
return | |||
endif | endif | ||
End | End | ||
</pre> | </pre> | ||
::That is my entire script for having a player statue that is updatable, ie will display whatever armor/weapons you are currently wearing. The whole skipanim dilemna comes about when I want the statue to have its weapon drawn but do not want the breathing animation. If you call '''skipanim''' inside the '''IsWeaponOut''' block the statue will not completely | ::That is my entire script for having a player statue that is updatable, ie will display whatever armor/weapons you are currently wearing. The whole skipanim dilemna comes about when I want the statue to have its weapon drawn but do not want the breathing animation. If you call '''skipanim''' inside the '''IsWeaponOut''' block the statue will not completely draw the weapon but get stuck halfway. Thus a delay is needed via '''GetSecondsPassed'''. Hope all that makes sense. Thanks heaps for the timely response. | ||
::--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 10:37, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | ::--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 10:37, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | ||
:::You only update the animtimer once -- you need to update the animtimer every frame in order for it to accurately track how many seconds have passed. You will also want to stop updating the animtimer once the script has done whatever it was waiting to do | |||
:::--[[User:Quetzilla|quetzilla]] 14:16, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
(Moving back over) Man I feel silly, I thought that if you ran a timer inside a gamemode block every frame (without some sort of DoOnce catch) it would get reset not updated. Thanks for the help I should have this nailed now. Up until this point in my modding endeavours I have tried extremely hard to avoid using timers, they were the one part of scripting I could never get my head around. Thank you very much I think I now have a sound understand of how timers are handled/executed by Oblivion. | |||
--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 22:04, 4 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
I believe I have now perfected the script. Here it is for those who wish to know. I may write a tutorial on making a player statue that can be updated and removed at will. | |||
<pre>scn RSPlayerStatueToggleScript | |||
float AnimTimer | |||
ref RSPlayerStatue | |||
short OneStatue | |||
short button | |||
short Frozen | |||
Begin OnActivate | |||
MessageBox "Would you like a statue made in your current likeness?", "Yes", "No", "Remove Current Statue" | |||
Activate | |||
End | |||
Begin GameMode | |||
Set button to GetButtonPressed | |||
If AnimTimer >= 4 | |||
Set AnimTimer to 0 | |||
endif | |||
If RSPlayerStatue.IsWeaponOut == 1 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setunconscious 1 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setdestroyed 1 | |||
endif | |||
If AnimTimer >= 3 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.skipanim | |||
set Frozen to 1 | |||
endif | |||
If OneStatue == 1 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.pms EffectStone | |||
If Frozen == 0 | |||
Set AnimTimer to ( AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed ) | |||
endif | |||
endif | |||
If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | |||
Message "Please remove current statue first" | |||
endif | |||
If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | |||
set RSPlayerStatue to player.CreateFullActorCopy | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setscale 2 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.removeItem torch02 1000 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.moveto RSPlayerStatueHereRef | |||
RSPlayerStatue.SetAlert 1 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.setghost 1 | |||
Set OneStatue to 1 | |||
Message "A statue has been made in your likeness" | |||
Set Frozen to 0 | |||
endif | |||
If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) | |||
Message "No statue to remove" | |||
endif | |||
If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) | |||
Message "Statue removed" | |||
Set OneStatue to 0 | |||
Set AnimTimer to 0 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.DeleteFullActorCopy | |||
DeleteFullActorCopy ; one of these lines is obselete, oh well | |||
endif | |||
If button == 1 | |||
return | |||
endif | |||
End | |||
</pre> | |||
I will explain it so that anyone reading can have a better understanding. | |||
1. When the statue is created and the short variable '''OneStatue''' is defined and set to '''1'''. '''Frozen''' is also set to '''0''', this will be discussed later.<BR><BR> | |||
2.Inside the condition specifying that '''OneStatue''' has to equal 1 before the block is executed; a timer is initialised setting '''AnimTimer''' to ( Itself + GetSecondsPassed ). This will count how many seconds have passed since '''OneStatue == 1''' but only if the '''Frozen == 0''' argument remains true. Which it is for the time being.<BR><BR> | |||
3. As a precaution we have this line of code. It resets the timer if it goes outside of its intended range for application. That being 4 seconds in this instance.<pre>If AnimTimer >= 4 | |||
Set AnimTimer to 0</pre> | |||
4. Now that we have established a timer with a range of 4 seconds, next we want some code to specify what happens when the desired amount of seconds have passed. If the amount of seconds that have passed is greater than or equal to 3 seconds the code is processed: | |||
<pre>If AnimTimer >= 3 | |||
RSPlayerStatue.skipanim | |||
set Frozen to 1</pre> | |||
5. Now that '''Frozen == 1''' our timer will no longer continue to be evaluated and the game will not have to process it. (This is done out of good practise). | |||
Is it okay to have that on this page? Or should I move it somewhere more appropriate? Pretty sure thats all correct and hopefully simplifies the issue a bit. Personally I learn way better from seeing something like this in its application. If I'd had something like the above to look at I would have had it nailed long ago.<BR> | |||
--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 00:16, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
==Multiple uses whitin a script== | |||
I have just found that GetSecondsPassed DOES NOT reset to 0 when used. All calls within the same frame and script return the same value. Maybe the ‘reset to 0’ was true when the text was added in 2006. I changed the text and example. Although I am pretty sure of it, it would be good if somebody else confirmed it. | |||
[[User:QQuix|QQuix]] 12:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
:I am pretty sure you are correct here. My script wouldn't work as desired until I added a line of code to reset the timer to 0. See above Point 3 for more details. | |||
:--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 12:28, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
::That's not what QQuix is talking about, Antares. He's referring to calling GetSecondsPassed more than once in a single frame. According to the note he removed, GetSecondsPassed would return 0 after the first time it was called. I don't remember who added that note, but I remember thinking it was odd but not bothering to test it. | |||
::Regardless, it's not really that big a deal. Caching the value of GetSecondsPassed would be good scripting habit, anyway. | |||
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 13:25, 5 September 2008 (EDT) | |||
:::Belated confirmation, at least with object scripts in an onActivate block. | |||
:::--[[User:Haama|Haama]] 20:38, 4 October 2008 (EDT) | |||
::::As far as I can tell, at any given frame, GetSecondsPassed returns the same value to all object scripts. Next frame: different value, but the same different value to all scripts. For example: an object that is activated once per second should get a value around 1. Instead, it gets the same value as the calling ref. Another easy way to verify this is to create an object in an internal cell and script it to print GetSecondsPassed to the console every frame. Go in, check the console. Go out and come back in after a few seconds. The first run on the script should report a number compatible with the time you stayed out. But it always reports something like 0.0xxx. | |||
::::Quest scripts do get a correct value, compatible with fQuestDelayTime, thou. | |||
::::I also tried hard to get a 0 from GetSecondsPassed. Never did. No matter what: calling the same script several times in the same frame, several objects sharing the same script, etc. | |||
::::As it is mostly used for timers running every frame, this may have passed unnoticed. Or maybe my game is broken, somehow. [[User:QQuix|QQuix]] 23:31, 8 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
Very strange indeed ! According to scruggsy, each script has a "time since last run" property that's actually what's being queried by '''getSecondsPassed'''. Have you tried moving a reference into scope ? That would start a previously stopped script, thereby returning a different value for '''getSecondsPassed''' ?<br> | |||
[[User:Shademe|shadeMe]] <sup>[[User_talk:Shademe|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]]</sup> 17:06, 9 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
:Yes, both, by leaving the cell (so the script stops running) and going back and by leaving the cell and moving the object to the player after a few seconds. Also tried going in and out of trigger zones scripted to print the value returned by GetSecondsPassed in their OnTrigger blocks. In all cases, the very first line printed when the object enters into scope reports the exact same value as a player token running every frame without interruption. | |||
:I did read that scruggsy's text somewhere. He mentioned that the control was per script, not per object. So I tried 3 objects sharing the same script. Theoretically two of them should report 0. But all report the same 0.0xx value. | |||
:As there are knowledgeable people, like scruggsy, saying otherwise, I wonder if some of the reports were written based on the original Oblivion version, Maybe one of the patches changed this function's behavior. Or, again, my game is different/broken for some reason. | |||
:It would be nice if you, or somebody, could confirm. It is just a matter of placing the following script on an object in an internal cell, go in and out and check the console to see what comes out. | |||
<dl><dd> | |||
scn aaaTestSCRIPT | |||
float secs | |||
begin gamemode | |||
set secs to getsecondspassed | |||
printc "getsecondspassed = %0.4f" secs | |||
end | |||
</dl> | |||
:[[User:QQuix|QQuix]] 19:16, 9 August 2009 (EDT) | |||
::Quite possible. I'll look into it as soon as I can<br> | |||
:: [[User:Shademe|shadeMe]] <sup>[[User_talk:Shademe|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]]</sup> 16:38, 10 August 2009 (EDT) |
Latest revision as of 15:38, 10 August 2009
Example Discussion[edit source]
--JustTim 18:26, 27 April 2006 (EDT) : Slserpent, you've messed up the Example! The old Version was correct, yours is not!
- ok, i guess if you like counting backwards, it works. the only problem is timer isn't initialized, so it always goes to the else. and i should have put 'if timer < 2' in my version--my bad. -slserpent
- In my opinion, the information in the article isnt extremely/comprehensively useful. It took me about 2 days worth of work to iron the kinks out of using a timer in my script. This coming from a fair self-taught, no programming/IT background scripting expertise (I've usually got the goods to get the job done) and a considerable help from the community here. I would like to extract information from the script posted below (Antares Complete Working Script) and put it in the article under Example 3. Thoughts? Anyone think that the article isnt as helpful as it could be?
- --Antares 12:37, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
Help[edit source]
Having trouble implementing this in my script. I am trying to make a statue of the player and I want to call the SkipAnim Command on him but only after any weapon has finished being drawn. (Thus the need for GetSecondsPassed. Here is my code
Begin GameMode If RSPlayerStatue.IsWeaponOut == 1 ;checks if the statue has weapon drawn before actor is set unconscious/destroyed RSPlayerStatue.setunconscious 1 RSPlayerStatue.setdestroyed 1 If DoOnce == 0 Set AnimTimer to GetSecondsPassed ; sets the timer once inside the Gamemode block instead of every frame Set DoOnce to 1 endif endif If AnimTimer >= 3 ;should execute after GetSecondsPassed >= 3 seconds ???? RSPlayerStatue.skipanim endif End
Many Thanks--Antares 09:05, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
- GetSecondsPassed returns the time (in seconds) since the previous frame. AnimTimer, then, will never be >=3 unless you have a <1/3 FPS!
- What you want to do is add up the times between frames until you get over three, like this:
set AnimTimer to AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed
- Does that make sense?
- Dragoon Wraith TALK 09:53, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
- I realised that shortly after I posted, I played around with the script but it still doesnt work. Here is the entire script. Do you know where its going wrong?
scn RSPlayerStatueToggleScript float AnimTimer ref RSPlayerStatue short OneStatue short button Begin OnActivate MessageBox "Would you like a statue made in your current likeness?", "Yes", "No", "Remove Current Statue" Activate End Begin GameMode Set button to GetButtonPressed If RSPlayerStatue.IsWeaponOut == 1 RSPlayerStatue.setunconscious 1 RSPlayerStatue.setdestroyed 1 endif If AnimTimer > 2 RSPlayerStatue.skipanim ; prevent him from breathing endif If OneStatue == 1 RSPlayerStatue.pms EffectStone endif If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) Message "Please remove current statue first" endif If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) set RSPlayerStatue to player.CreateFullActorCopy RSPlayerStatue.setscale 2 RSPlayerStatue.removeItem torch02 100 RSPlayerStatue.moveto RSPlayerStatueHereRef RSPlayerStatue.SetAlert 1 RSPlayerStatue.setghost 1 Set OneStatue to 1 Set AnimTimer to ( AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed ) Message "A statue has been made in your likeness" endif If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) Message "No statue to remove" endif If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) Message "Statue removed" Set OneStatue to 0 RSPlayerStatue.DeleteFullActorCopy ;not sure which of these lines work as they act as a return function DeleteFullActorCopy ; but meh it achieves the desired effect endif If button == 1 return endif End
- That is my entire script for having a player statue that is updatable, ie will display whatever armor/weapons you are currently wearing. The whole skipanim dilemna comes about when I want the statue to have its weapon drawn but do not want the breathing animation. If you call skipanim inside the IsWeaponOut block the statue will not completely draw the weapon but get stuck halfway. Thus a delay is needed via GetSecondsPassed. Hope all that makes sense. Thanks heaps for the timely response.
- --Antares 10:37, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
- You only update the animtimer once -- you need to update the animtimer every frame in order for it to accurately track how many seconds have passed. You will also want to stop updating the animtimer once the script has done whatever it was waiting to do
- --quetzilla 14:16, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
(Moving back over) Man I feel silly, I thought that if you ran a timer inside a gamemode block every frame (without some sort of DoOnce catch) it would get reset not updated. Thanks for the help I should have this nailed now. Up until this point in my modding endeavours I have tried extremely hard to avoid using timers, they were the one part of scripting I could never get my head around. Thank you very much I think I now have a sound understand of how timers are handled/executed by Oblivion.
--Antares 22:04, 4 September 2008 (EDT)
I believe I have now perfected the script. Here it is for those who wish to know. I may write a tutorial on making a player statue that can be updated and removed at will.
scn RSPlayerStatueToggleScript float AnimTimer ref RSPlayerStatue short OneStatue short button short Frozen Begin OnActivate MessageBox "Would you like a statue made in your current likeness?", "Yes", "No", "Remove Current Statue" Activate End Begin GameMode Set button to GetButtonPressed If AnimTimer >= 4 Set AnimTimer to 0 endif If RSPlayerStatue.IsWeaponOut == 1 RSPlayerStatue.setunconscious 1 RSPlayerStatue.setdestroyed 1 endif If AnimTimer >= 3 RSPlayerStatue.skipanim set Frozen to 1 endif If OneStatue == 1 RSPlayerStatue.pms EffectStone If Frozen == 0 Set AnimTimer to ( AnimTimer + GetSecondsPassed ) endif endif If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) Message "Please remove current statue first" endif If ( button == 0 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) set RSPlayerStatue to player.CreateFullActorCopy RSPlayerStatue.setscale 2 RSPlayerStatue.removeItem torch02 1000 RSPlayerStatue.moveto RSPlayerStatueHereRef RSPlayerStatue.SetAlert 1 RSPlayerStatue.setghost 1 Set OneStatue to 1 Message "A statue has been made in your likeness" Set Frozen to 0 endif If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 0 ) Message "No statue to remove" endif If ( button == 2 ) && ( OneStatue == 1 ) Message "Statue removed" Set OneStatue to 0 Set AnimTimer to 0 RSPlayerStatue.DeleteFullActorCopy DeleteFullActorCopy ; one of these lines is obselete, oh well endif If button == 1 return endif End
I will explain it so that anyone reading can have a better understanding.
1. When the statue is created and the short variable OneStatue is defined and set to 1. Frozen is also set to 0, this will be discussed later.
2.Inside the condition specifying that OneStatue has to equal 1 before the block is executed; a timer is initialised setting AnimTimer to ( Itself + GetSecondsPassed ). This will count how many seconds have passed since OneStatue == 1 but only if the Frozen == 0 argument remains true. Which it is for the time being.
3. As a precaution we have this line of code. It resets the timer if it goes outside of its intended range for application. That being 4 seconds in this instance.
If AnimTimer >= 4 Set AnimTimer to 0
4. Now that we have established a timer with a range of 4 seconds, next we want some code to specify what happens when the desired amount of seconds have passed. If the amount of seconds that have passed is greater than or equal to 3 seconds the code is processed:
If AnimTimer >= 3 RSPlayerStatue.skipanim set Frozen to 1
5. Now that Frozen == 1 our timer will no longer continue to be evaluated and the game will not have to process it. (This is done out of good practise).
Is it okay to have that on this page? Or should I move it somewhere more appropriate? Pretty sure thats all correct and hopefully simplifies the issue a bit. Personally I learn way better from seeing something like this in its application. If I'd had something like the above to look at I would have had it nailed long ago.
--Antares 00:16, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
Multiple uses whitin a script[edit source]
I have just found that GetSecondsPassed DOES NOT reset to 0 when used. All calls within the same frame and script return the same value. Maybe the ‘reset to 0’ was true when the text was added in 2006. I changed the text and example. Although I am pretty sure of it, it would be good if somebody else confirmed it. QQuix 12:23, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
- I am pretty sure you are correct here. My script wouldn't work as desired until I added a line of code to reset the timer to 0. See above Point 3 for more details.
- --Antares 12:28, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
- That's not what QQuix is talking about, Antares. He's referring to calling GetSecondsPassed more than once in a single frame. According to the note he removed, GetSecondsPassed would return 0 after the first time it was called. I don't remember who added that note, but I remember thinking it was odd but not bothering to test it.
- Regardless, it's not really that big a deal. Caching the value of GetSecondsPassed would be good scripting habit, anyway.
- Dragoon Wraith TALK 13:25, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
- Belated confirmation, at least with object scripts in an onActivate block.
- --Haama 20:38, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
- As far as I can tell, at any given frame, GetSecondsPassed returns the same value to all object scripts. Next frame: different value, but the same different value to all scripts. For example: an object that is activated once per second should get a value around 1. Instead, it gets the same value as the calling ref. Another easy way to verify this is to create an object in an internal cell and script it to print GetSecondsPassed to the console every frame. Go in, check the console. Go out and come back in after a few seconds. The first run on the script should report a number compatible with the time you stayed out. But it always reports something like 0.0xxx.
- Quest scripts do get a correct value, compatible with fQuestDelayTime, thou.
- I also tried hard to get a 0 from GetSecondsPassed. Never did. No matter what: calling the same script several times in the same frame, several objects sharing the same script, etc.
- As it is mostly used for timers running every frame, this may have passed unnoticed. Or maybe my game is broken, somehow. QQuix 23:31, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
Very strange indeed ! According to scruggsy, each script has a "time since last run" property that's actually what's being queried by getSecondsPassed. Have you tried moving a reference into scope ? That would start a previously stopped script, thereby returning a different value for getSecondsPassed ?
shadeMe TALK 17:06, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
- Yes, both, by leaving the cell (so the script stops running) and going back and by leaving the cell and moving the object to the player after a few seconds. Also tried going in and out of trigger zones scripted to print the value returned by GetSecondsPassed in their OnTrigger blocks. In all cases, the very first line printed when the object enters into scope reports the exact same value as a player token running every frame without interruption.
- I did read that scruggsy's text somewhere. He mentioned that the control was per script, not per object. So I tried 3 objects sharing the same script. Theoretically two of them should report 0. But all report the same 0.0xx value.
- As there are knowledgeable people, like scruggsy, saying otherwise, I wonder if some of the reports were written based on the original Oblivion version, Maybe one of the patches changed this function's behavior. Or, again, my game is different/broken for some reason.
- It would be nice if you, or somebody, could confirm. It is just a matter of placing the following script on an object in an internal cell, go in and out and check the console to see what comes out.
- scn aaaTestSCRIPT float secs begin gamemode set secs to getsecondspassed printc "getsecondspassed = %0.4f" secs end
- QQuix 19:16, 9 August 2009 (EDT)