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:::::::OK, now I'm very confused. Why would not want to store the results of a menu? Or, if you do, just drop the information, this would work just fine. ShadowDancer, I really don't understand what you want from this tutorial, and I ''really'' don't understand '''why''' you would want a MessageBox menu in anything but an Activator. What purpose does that serve? What is complicated about this script that you would remove? Yes, menu scripts are complicated, but that's what they are. I don't see how you can simplify it while still asking questions of the player and getting answers. Please explain what you mean, and ''please'' explain what possible situation might be better served by a menu in a spell than in an activator triggered by spell. | :::::::OK, now I'm very confused. Why would not want to store the results of a menu? Or, if you do, just drop the information, this would work just fine. ShadowDancer, I really don't understand what you want from this tutorial, and I ''really'' don't understand '''why''' you would want a MessageBox menu in anything but an Activator. What purpose does that serve? What is complicated about this script that you would remove? Yes, menu scripts are complicated, but that's what they are. I don't see how you can simplify it while still asking questions of the player and getting answers. Please explain what you mean, and ''please'' explain what possible situation might be better served by a menu in a spell than in an activator triggered by spell. | ||
:::::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 18:17, 27 August 2007 (EDT) | :::::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 18:17, 27 August 2007 (EDT) | ||
(Back to the left) First off, let me say that I didn't do more than skim this tutorial originally since I was looking to help Raziel23x out with his spell script. It just so happens that this came into play at the same time that this tutorial was marked as possibly containing misinformation. Since Haama had written that he hadn't seen multiple menus done in a spell script, I added a spell script that worked multiple menus via the MessageBox function. Additionally, since I was working with Raziel23x's script, I went pretty much to the scripts to look at the coding being fairly competent with scripts. So yes, this whole mess is my fault. However, aside from that, what I am trying to say is that this isn't really a '''MessageBox''' tutorial, its a '''MessageBox Menu System and Variable Storage''' tutorial. | |||
I suspect that if there had been a simplified version of how to set up multiple menus using the MessageBox function in a Magic Effect script that Raziel23x probably wouldn't have had to ask for help with it. I even had trouble looking through the scripts trying to seperate out what wasn't necessary and apply it to a spell script - the real problem ended up being an active return statement (If Choice == -1 ==> Return). To this end, I think that a Multi-Menu tutorial using MessageBox is probably something that would be useful with a demonstration of how to do it in different ways, i.e. Activators, Spells, etc. so that if someone needs help figuring out how to do it, they don't have to come to a tutorial that isn't set up for it just because its the closest thing that will help them. If you look at what Raziel23x was doing, it was either use a multiple menu or else write 20+ seperate spells. I personally would have done the same thing Raziel23x originally did; made multiple menus in a single spell. I did something similar with the ''Alter Weather'' spell that I made a while ago in that I allowed the caster to choose the weather type from a menu when the spell is cast rather than writing 7 seperate spells for each weather type in Tamriel. I didn't feel that the seperate weather types warranted 7 seperate spells when one spell could do all of them (it also cuts down on clutter in the spell list). The difference being that mine didn't need multiple menus for the spell where as Raziel23x's script did. ''This'' is where a menu in a spell serves better than an activator - because you don't need to drag the activator out and deal with it and then put it away again when just casting a simple spell. You just handle the choice and the consequences internally in the spell. | |||
Likewise, there are other things that don't require variables to be stored when using multiple menus for different choices. To that end, I think it would be wise to show people how to just make multiple menus for what they wish to do. I also agree that there are times when one might want to store variables choosen from multiple menus. Hence my suggestions above. A tutorial to create multiple menus. Another tutorial (or the same one if you like, though it would be necessarily longer) to show how to take those multiple menu systems and store the variables. The current tutorial didn't show how to set up multiple menus just for the sake of creating multiple menus before introducing the activator, and the information in the article didn't lend well to a spell script that needs a menu to make a choice about the spell being cast. Which is what I was originally trying to suggest - a menu in a spell that doesn't store variables - because I hadn't paid much attention to the tutorial other than that it talked about creating multiple menus. | |||
--[[User:ShadowDancer|ShadowDancer]] 23:51, 27 August 2007 (EDT) | |||