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This page is for comments and suggestions for the Main Page of the CS Wiki. This is '''not''' for questions about Oblivion, the Construction Set, or modding in general. Please put these questions in appropriate places. Suggestions for the Wiki overall (not this page specifically) may go here, but are probably more appropriate at the [[Community Portal]].
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== Questions should go to the forums ==
== Questions should go to the forums ==
This is not the place to ask random questions about the CS. The only things that should be discussed here are things related to the use and structure of the wiki itself. Direct CS questions to the [http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=34fe075e03e6aae8a1cf5768ffd7ad2b&showforum=24 Construction Set forum] or the [[:Category:Questions|Questions page]].
This is not the place to ask random questions about the CS. The only things that should be discussed here are things related to the use and structure of the wiki itself. Direct CS questions to the [http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?s=34fe075e03e6aae8a1cf5768ffd7ad2b&showforum=24 Construction Set forum].


The admins are going to start enforcing this policy, so you should stop putting questions here or they are likely to be rolled back.
The admins are going to start enforcing this policy, so you should stop putting questions here or they are likely to be rolled back.
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--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 08:49, 10 April 2006 (EDT)
--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 08:49, 10 April 2006 (EDT)


== The existing game? ==
= Suggestions for the Main Page =
 
Is this wiki a suitable place for discussing bugs/oddities with the engine, or the main
Oblivion game? I realise these may not really be editing-related.. If not, is there a wiki that is suitable?
[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:47, 25 March 2006 (EST)
 
:This wiki is a reference for The Construction Set and mods. Our official forums are where discussions on engine/game related bugs and quirks should be discussed. [[User:Ashileedo|Ashileedo]] 14:27, 26 Mar 2006
 
:[http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Oblivion:Oblivion UESP Oblivion]. You can start the Glitches/Goofs page starting from the link a the bottom. If there's a problem with the engine itself, in regards to modding, that should probably go on the [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Tes4Mod:Modding Tes4Mod section]. You should look in the corresponding sections of the [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Morrowind:Morrowind Morrowind]pages for similar pages and follow the lead. (Hmmm... Though I would have thought that glitches in the game engine would be reasonable to put here -- since modders need to work around them while working in CS4.) --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 00:56, 27 March 2006 (EST)
 
::Good point about putting engine issues on here as it could be useful -- My concern is that a list of issues with the game and engine here could turn into a point of contention and attract vandalism. As long as the tone is factual and neutral, should be okay. I would strongly suggest that anything documented must be verified by the contributor themselves or can be based on our readme documentation but not based off forum posts which can be unreliable. We want people to be able to trust what they read is factual and has been verified. [[User:Ashileedo|Ashileedo]] 10:28, 27 Mar 2006
 
:::I would suggest something like an [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=UESPWiki:Editing editors page] (might the same as the [[Help:Editing]] page). Site policy (what does and doesn't belong, plus standards for addition can be listed there). When listing what doesn't belong (e.g., mod lists, mod ideas(?)), you could also provide links to wikis/sites that are intended for that (and the forums, of course). Also, for page specific formatting and rules, you can put a "Style and Content" section at the top of the talk page (e.g., [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Tes3Mod_Talk:Scripting_Pitfalls Uesp Scripting Pitfalls Talk].)  --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 11:38, 27 March 2006 (EST)
 
::::Looking for something like this: [[Standards and Policies]]? It isn't very easy to find at the moment, though.
 
 
== More Tutorials Please ==
I loved the create a dungeon tutorial, I wish there were more intermediate tutorials. I've been messing around with the editor and but learning on my own is slow and cumbersome. Do any other good editing resources exist? [[User:FViral|FViral]] 17:42, 26 March 2006 (EST)
 
:I also thought that the "My First Dungeon" tutorial was excellent, but we need to expand on it and add more. One on basic quests, scripting, havok, etc would be great. I already have a fairly cool dungeon laid out, but I am not sure where to go with the NPC quests for it. Also, does anyone know how to include havok'd rocks in a project?
--[[User:Void Main()|Void Main()]] 00:52, 27 March 2006 (EST)
 
:For my part, I'd like a tutorial on creating shopkeepers - I figure just about everyone is going to be creating dungeons, so I'd play around with something different. I'd also '''''really''''' like if, when Bethesda releases everything necessary for full creation of armor/clothing, someone could post a MAX file of something generic with all the settings correct so I could open it up and look at it. An ideal situation would be Bethesda actually posting one or more of the MAX files used to create the master file...
[[User:Aesirgard|Aesirgard]] 12:35, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
 
:I plan on releasing a tutorial explaining how I did my mod when it's finished. It'll cover some scripting, dialogue options, and NPC creation. [[User:Sockmonkeh|Sockmonkeh]] 12:58, 7 April 2006 (EDT)
 
-Criss
It would be nice with a detailed tutorial that showed you how to create new races and stuff.
 
-Bobman
I think it would be cool if there were another scripting tutorial to help learn some new commands. I really liked the first one but I wish there were more.
 
== Offline Help ==
 
Is there a way to download this Wiki or offer it for download so that those without internet access 24/7 can still get help when modding, if it was html a simple downloader would work, but its php and I can not find one suited for it.<p>
 
Thanks [[User:StaticNation|StaticNation]] 4:55 AM 28 March 2006 (CST)
 
 
: Well, the problem with that is that a Wiki is always changing, and at this point the TESCSWiki is far from complete. --[[User:JT|JT]] 14:07, 31 March 2006 (EST)
 
I'm in the same situation as StaticNation, i can only access this page from the computer (in a different house), but this is unable to run oblivion or CS, so all my editing has to be done elsewhere. Even though the wiki is always changing and is still incomplete it would still be helpful, and i do belive wikipedia has an ability to download its current archives onto your PC, and since this is based on the same technology as far as i know, would this be possible? --[[User:Yacob|Yacob]]
 
== Bethesda Editors? ==
 
I'd really like to see an official page that lists all the official Bethesda editors. The page should be locked. As TESIV ages, the developers will have less and less input on the CS. When comparing revisions of documents on here, it would be nice to know that certain users were official Bethesda authors, versus someone adding into their User page ''Bethesda level designer'' or such, even if they aren't. An official locked page would remedy this problem (and it will happen, it always does on larger Wikis). [[User:Daego|Daego]] 11:57, 28 March 2006 (EST)
 
== Admins list ==
 
--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 13:32, 28 March 2006 (EST): [http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php?title=Special:Listusers/sysop&limit=1000 List of admins] (this is linked from the [[Standards and Policies]] page, which might be what someone else was asking about).
 
:what's the difference between a sysop and Bearucrat? (sp?) [[User:Stormscape|Stormscape]]
::That's wiki admin stuff. Bureaucrats have the ability to raise other users to sysops. See [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Setting_user_rights_in_MediaWiki#sysop MediaWiki] for more info. --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 19:01, 29 March 2006 (EST)
 
 
 
 
== Adding new pages? ==
 
Can we add new pages/categories/etc to the Wiki? I haven't figured out how, but in particular I think that .ini mods and .xml mods need sections for them, since they are probably the most popular mods right now, and are going to continue to be important. They're also something that the average person would be very interested in tweaking for their own preferences, and so this Wiki definitely ought to have sections for them. Does anyone know if we can add them, and if so, how? And if not, why not? And if not, can Beth do it for us, please?
 
--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 16:08, 30 March 2006 (EST)Anyone can add a new page by simply typing the URL, and editing the blank page that comes up. You'll need to put a Category:XXX link at the bottom of new pages if you want anyone to find them (preferred), or link them directly from another page (usually not preferred).
 
== Adding potentially obvious instructions? ==
 
I was flipping through some of the character settings in the editor and was looking at adding a [[Birthsigns|Birthsign]] and couldn't figure out how I was supposed to get spells in the list. After a minute or two, it occurred to me to go look through the objects list instead of magic efects. Then you just drag and drop a spell from there. Arguably, it didn't take me long and would be completely obvious to some people. So my question is whether or not adding these kinds of potentially obvious instructions would be frowned upon for cluttering up the Wiki or some such.
 
If not, should they be contained on directly on that page or a page linked under it?
[[User:Gunslinger|Gunslinger]] 19:12, 31 March 2006 (EST)
 
== Lacking useful functions ==
 
I've been browsing through the list of functions, and I'm surprised that some obvious ones seem to be missing. One thing is, there are no alchemy functions. Another, more surprising is that there are no angle/radius positioning functions, apart from PlaceAtMe, which creates a new instance.
 
You can get a heading and distance to something, but you can't position objects by them, so you can't e.g. move an existing object to be in front of the player or another actor. There also seems to be no way to tell actors to simply move a distance ahead. It seems that the only way that this can be done now is using trigonometry, but of course, there are no trigonometry functions.
 
Is there a wishlist for the next version/expansion? [[User:EagleEye|EagleEye]] 09:50, 1 April 2006 (EST)
:Square root also seems to be gone :([[User:EagleEye|EagleEye]]
 
::UESP Wiki has some math approximations: [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes3Mod:Math_Functions Math Functions]. Sqrt not included since they're for Morrowind, which has sqrt. --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 00:38, 2 April 2006 (EST)
 
::--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 09:43, 4 April 2006 (EDT): There are a number of position functions: [[SetAngle]], [[SetPos]], [[PositionCell]], [[PositionWorld]]. Using these on actors, however, can lead to unexpected results (they may still think they are somewhere else). Actors should be controlled using packages.
 
:::[[User:Jaks|Jaks]] 13:50, 4 April 2006 (EDT):  Not sure thats always possible.  Packages, at least in this early stage of my learning curve, seem VERY limiting.  Its difficult to integrate them with in with scripts and their needed timings for intricate manueverings of NPCs.  I tend to think of packages as daily routines for the AI to go about their business but quests and player interaction, in my eyes, should use scripts to override those routines.  On the other hand, the script API does provide the ability to add and remove packages on the fly, so maybe a combination (much like the recently released [http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=343777 HorseCommands] mod does) is the better choice.  In the end though, I do not think packages provide for the level of detail this request is asking for.
 
:::--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 16:50, 7 April 2006 (EDT): Well, we managed to put together a number of rather intricate scenes using the same tools you have available to you -- charactergen, for example. Every staged scene in the main quest. Do I wish we had better tools? Sure. But I think you need to look at some of the scripts and NPC packages used in charactergen (for example) before you decide that packages are "very limiting".
 
== Known Issues ==
 
[[User:Doppelganger|Doppelganger]] 18:58, 3 April 2006 (EDT): "Data race" was in fact undocumented modifiers on the [[ModActorValue]] function, now documented by one of the people in the know. The difficulty, however, in getting this information was altogether too much...
 
/signed, we need an area to report issues and verify them as known. Nowhere does it say that the script compiler/editor will silently fail to compile a script with mismatching parens () .. I just spent an hour looking for a syntax error, it turned out to be a missing open paren, the script editor silently failed with no warning when compiling the script - it just refused to save my changes. I'd like to save other people this headache.
--[[User:Halo112358|Halo112358]] 22:09, 2 April 2006 (EDT)
 
--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 09:49, 4 April 2006 (EDT): Re: silently failing -- The compiler will throw up a warning over any compile error. Is it possible that you already clicked "Yes to All" to a previous warning (which would turn off all warnings for your current session)? Check the EditorWarnings.txt in the editor's folder -- you'll see the warnings there even if you turned off the popup.
 
--[[User:Gerrie|Gerrie]] Hi, dont know where else i should put this:
Error Message:
"Warning: Unable to complete operation due to failure removing previous tempfile remains. Continue playing? "Yes to all" will disable warnings this session."
This means some application is still using your plugin file and the construction set fails to save your new version. Be careful not to press "Yes", as all your following saves will get lost with no error message.
To solve this: Close your programs and reboot, when you get the errormessage for the first time. Does anybody know a better workaround, so you dont lose your newest save?
 
== Settings Documentation ==
 
The settings page is home to many variables useful for tweaking gameplay easily.  However, many of these variables have cryptic names and/or implementation.  Would it be possible for developers to take some time detailing some of these setting and their affect on gameplay?
 
--[[User:ZantarV|ZantarV]]
 
== Bethesda and mod developers releasing mods ==


Does Bethesda have a system in place for mod devs to launch a mod, and get payment for it (with security in place), as Bethesda is doing with their own mods? Just like Valve has for its huge mod community with HL/HL2 over Steam?
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 00:27, 27 June 2007 (EDT): Please post any suggestions you may have for improving the Main Page here. Please give your suggestion a tier-two header (=='s on either side), and please sign it with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
[[User:Skjalg|Skjalg]] 14:40, 4 April 2006 (EDT)


I doubt it.  If you read the license agreement, any mods created using the construction set are property of Bethesda. [[User:BCampbell|BCampbell]] 12:59, 5 April 2006 (EDT)
==Suggestion: Tutorial's link==


== Site skin does not display properly on Mac Safari (10.4.5) ==
I would like to see a link on the main page that directs you to page listing all the tutorials currently on the wiki. I'm not sure if such a page exists yet but a link on the main page would definately be nice. The way I see it, it would direct more traffic to the tutorials section which would in turn increase the quality and diversity of tutorials on this wiki.<BR>
--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 00:27, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


Hello all,
:I agree, it's the most used section of the Wiki, so a link on the main page would make sense. I'm thinking of next to the Index, Categories and Featured Content links.
:Antares, there's such a listing here: [[:Category:Tutorials]]
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 04:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


This site does not display properly on Mac OS X (PowerPC) 10.4.5 Safari web browser.


Here's a cropped screenshot: [[Image:Bad-render.png|thumb]]
== Suggestion : User's Online ==
How about a counter at the bottom of the screen, showing number of people viewing the current page, and list of registered members online in the bottom of the main page ? Just like in any forum script. -- [[User:Shademe|shademe]] 08:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)


Note that the sidebar (Navigation, Toolbox, Search, Personal Tools) seems to overdraw the rest of the page.
:Number of users, easy. Currently viewing the page? No idea. That would have to be something Bethesda implements. I could ask about it if people really want it, but I dunno, never been a big concern for me.
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 11:54, 29 September 2008 (EDT)


Thanks!
::A thoroughly excellent idea, it would be great to see which registered users are online as I believe it could positively impact the speed at which things are achieved/questions are answered. I have to say I'm with DragoonWraith on the Currently viewing page idea, although it would be cool and nice I do not see it as being a big deal. I am impartial on the latter of those two, all for the former though.
::--[[User:Antares|Antares]] 06:08, 30 September 2008 (EDT)


[[User:Callie|Callie]] 18:08, 4 April 2006 (EDT)
:What I meant was something like this ...<br>
[[Image:Boardstats.JPG|700px]]<br>
:... in the main page for starters. And perhaps a internal IM applet/shoutbox, for discussion of the registered members ? -- [[User:Shademe|shademe]] 09:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)


:It's a problem with the javascript, apparently. I tried to do some troubleshooting on it thinking it was a stylesheet bug. I wasn't having problems with a local version, so I turned off javascript (using Shiira, it renders with Apple's WebKit) and it worked fine. Alternatively, you can use the other skin. [[User:Gunslinger|Gunslinger]] 12:15, 5 April 2006 (EDT)
::Well, it would have to be Bethesda doing it. But I can ask. Don't hold your breath, though; the Wiki is not high on the list of priorities, so anything that involves more than usual maintenance is often a lot to ask. Asking them to go and find some kind of applet that does this, or code it themselves, is probably more than we can hope for.


::If you want to improve the chances, you could help them out with this by finding something for them that I can link them to. Then they would only have to implement it, which could happen, perhaps.
::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 10:25, 30 September 2008 (EDT)


== How can I add pages to the Index? ==
:::Here's a link to [[http://www.phpbb.com/ phpBB]]. You probably know about this, but this is a bulletin board script. It should have the script for the user's online. Maybe it can be extrapolated into the WiKi's - It should be fairly easy considering the wiki's running on phP -- [[User:Shademe|shademe]] 05:08, 1 October 2008 (EDT)


I created a "Questions" category that I think would be helpful to people with questions.  Answered questions we can then move to the "Solutions" category. However, I cannot seem to figure out how to get my newly made category linked to the main index.
::::I'm not against the idea, doesn't really matter to me, but the idea that it's easy because the Wiki is also coded in PHP is false. The Wiki's user system is extremely different from a forum's. Adding the PHP code from phpBB is most likely even harder than writing it from scratch. If you want any chance of getting this you'll need to find a MediaWiki extension that does this. Extensions are relatively easy to install, but that's not all, probably changes to the stylesheet are also necessary. It's Bethesda's and was made to work with extras like this. This greatly reduces the chances of getting this feature installed. Unless you can find an extension, don't even count on it. See [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions here] for MediaWiki extensions.
::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 17:05, 1 October 2008 (EDT)


:--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 13:24, 8 April 2006 (EDT): Good idea. Done!
:::Well, I was digging into MediaWiKi's extension and found a few : [[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShoutBox ShoutBox]], [], [[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AjaxWhosOnline AjaX Version of Who's Online]], [[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OnlineStatus Set Online status preference]]. Think this can be implemented ( sorry If this seems dumb, I a client-sided coder ) ? helloo ... ? -- [[User:Shademe|shademe]] 07:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)


--[[User:Brainspackle|Brainspackle]] 13:29, 8 April 2006 (EDT): Very nice!  Good response time too, thanks. ;)
::::I'd prefer the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WhosOnline Who's Online] extension (not my decision though) but that one requires MediaWiki 1.11+ and we're running 1.10.0 here. Only the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShoutBox ShoutBox] is compatible with 1.10.0, but it doesn't really sound like what we're looking for. Maybe there are older versions of the other extension available.
::::--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 12:55, 6 October 2008 (EDT)


== Categories Page is Helpful ==
:::::It's conceivable that upgrading the Wiki would be possible. They've done it in the past. We could also ask how much that would entail. Considering that they have installed newer versions for other Wikis, they would know what they would need to do and whether or not it's worth it.


I have found this page to be quite helpful: http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php?title=Special:Categories
:::::I know newer Wikis support Redirects being put in Categories, which I find desirable. Anyone know of any other advantages of the newer Wiki version?
:::::[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 14:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)


However, it is hard for me to find that page easily, as it does not seem to be linked from anywhere.  I am not even quite sure how I originally found it.
It's been awhile, but what's the new on this ? -- [[User:Shademe|shademe]] 12:37, 11 January 2009 (EST)


:--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 13:25, 8 April 2006 (EDT): If you click on the "Category" link at the bottom of any page in a category, you'll go to the full list of categories.
:Bethesda intends to update the Wiki to v1.14 once v1.14 comes out, I believe (v1.14 is currently in beta, and is being used on WikiMedia Foundation sites like Wikipedia); at that point, we'll look into this. Seems like an update needs to happen before most of those will work.
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 12:59, 11 January 2009 (EST)


::--[[User:Osmose|Moose]] 16:42, 10 April 2006 (EDT): That's one of the special pages Wikis put in by default. And they appear to all be gone when I try to go to the listing. Any particular reason? Just wondering.
It is a rather good idea, as it implements how popular the page is, or how useful it can be, as if it's unpopular people wouldn't often go to it and if it's useless then peopl wouldn't read right through it much, all in all, a splendid idea, as i've seen it on other websites and i find it useful!
--[[User:Oblivious12123|Oblivious12123]] 12:30, 28 December 2009 (EST)


:::The reason is that the specials pages is bugged in this wiki. if you refresh the page just long enough , the list of special pages appears. [[User:Vvenaya|Vvenaya]] 16:55, 10 April 2006 (EDT)
== Heads-up for new users ==


::::[[User:Osmose|Moose]] 17:07, 10 April 2006 (EDT): Weak. Any idea as to why it's happening?
Why not write a bot to automatically add an entry, one that informs them about the wiki's policy on asking questions, to the TALK page of new users ? That could help with keeping down the creation of unnecessary new articles.<br>
[[User:Shademe|shadeMe]] <sup>[[User_talk:Shademe|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]]</sup> 18:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)


:--[[User:Brainspackle|Brainspackle]] 13:30, 8 April 2006 (EDT): Thanks for the clarification. Wikis have a bit of a learning curve.
:Hmm... I'm not certain that the bot's allowed to be "always on" like that. I'm also not certain how to configure it to do that (though I know it can). Hmm... I'll look into it. Typically those things go on their Talk page after they've made their first Edit though.


==Tutorials versus Solutions==
:Someone want to write a welcome message thing, then?
I just noticed that we have both a [[:Category:Tutorials]] <i>and</i> [[:Category:Solutions]]. I can understand why we would want both, but maybe we should define what tutorials and solutions are so we don't get tutorials in the solutions category and not under tutorials? [[User:Mrflippy|Mrflippy]] 16:16, 8 April 2006 (EDT)
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:12, 31 January 2010 (EST)


--[[User:Kkuhlmann|Kkuhlmann]] 08:53, 10 April 2006 (EDT): My view is that a tutorial is a step-by-step guide to doing a general task in the editor: building a dungeon, creating a worldspace, creating a quest, etc. A "Solution" is a specific method for doing some tricky or obscure task -- a way to prevent others from having to "reinvent the wheel" whenever they try to do the same thing. Maybe they do overlap more than I think -- if the general consensus is that they are redundant, we can always fold them together into the same category ("Tutorials and Solutions").
:: Heh, it'd probably be more of a "go away" message. In any case, I'm willing to try.<br>
::[[User:Shademe|shadeMe]] <sup>[[User_talk:Shademe|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]]</sup> 21:29, 31 January 2010 (EST)


:No, I think it's a good idea to have both categories. We just need definitions for organization's sake. I think your definition is pretty good. In some cases the categories may overlap, but in that case we can just add a page to both categories. --[[User:Mrflippy|Mrflippy]] 17:08, 10 April 2006 (EDT)
:::I did some <nowiki>"research"</nowiki> about bots on some other wiki's and I found an article containing a script that welcomes new users ([http://botwiki.sno.cc/wiki/Python:Welcome.py here]). That page seemed to be part of an entire wiki about bots:([http://botwiki.sno.cc/wiki/Main_Page here]).


==Discussing GUI/HUD mods==
:::I hope this information helps.<br>
Would it be appropriate to add sections for GUI/HUD mods, even though these mods don't directly involve the CS? For example, BTMod deals almost exclusively with editing XML files unpacked from the misc.bsa file. Although these files aren't accessible from the CS, documenting their structure and functionality would bee a huge boon to the modding community, as BTMod is perhaps the most popular Oblivion mod right now, and those XML files are very complicated and deceptively powerful.
:::--[[User:Darkness X|Darkness X]] 11:12, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
--[[User:Mrdowns|Mrdowns]] 10:16, 12 April 2006 (EDT)
:If it's not appropriate here, we'll be glad to have it at UESP Wiki! We've already got a little material like that at: [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Modding Oblivion Modding] (look for File Formats section). I've got a little info on my own site too [http://wrye.ufrealms.net/Oblivion%20Configuration.html Oblivion Configuration] which I'll merge into UESP wiki when I have some time. --[[User:Wrye|Wrye]] 18:43, 12 April 2006 (EDT)


== Wish list link ==
== Ideas to support newbies: ==


There should be a link on the main page to the [[Wish List]]. --[[User:Maian|Maian]] 21:32, 16 April 2006 (EDT)
The front page displays the featured article, which at the moment is 'a beginners' guide' right?


== Styles need work/horizontal scrolling is EVIL ==
So when a new featured article gets chosen, the newbies may get stuck looking for basic tutorials.
Maybe we should keep the beginners' guide on the main page, after a new featured article is selected. It would make things simpler for newbies and more convenient and less frustrating and time consuming...
--[[User:Oblivious12123|Oblivious12123]] 12:25, 28 December 2009 (EST)


Hi there,
''New ideas to support newbies should be left in this section, not a new one, please leave a line and start anew, then reinsert this piece of writing at the bottom of your work''


with Firefox 1.5.0.2 on Windows XP I have to scroll horizontally to view the text. I'm not particularily fond of maximizing the browser just to view a web page, and would like to configure the browser window size to my preferences, not to the web page authors idea of workflow. Please don't do the fixed-width thing.
:That's a pretty good idea. Currently, though, I don't think the Beginner's Guide is in much danger of being shuffled off... *shrug* When we're looking to change it, yes, I think that's a good plan.
:[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion, Daedric Runes; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 21:10, 31 January 2010 (EST)


I resorted to the alternative style, which looks rather poor. It should have a different background (darktan_bg.jpg, paper + MediaWiki style don't work very well together) and a different logo (banner.jpg), which is displayed behind the text frame. I just adblocked that one, resulting in an empty space where the pages logo should be.
== May 28, 2011 MediaWiki Update ==
The Wiki has, for the first time in a ''long'' time, had its version of MediaWiki updated. This is wonderful news, generally speaking.


Thanks & best regards.
Unfortunately, it seems to have broken the Liquid Style custom CSS, and there may be a few niggling details that need to be fixed as well. Please post anything you find odd here; I'll try to communicate this with Bethsoft.


: This isn't specific to Firefox - does the same thing in IE. --[[User:Maian|Maian]] 06:37, 4 May 2006 (EDT)
List of issues:
* The box around categories look very odd, and it's there even if a page does not have any categories.
* Custom signatures appear to have been reset and their maximum length reduced. At least, mine was too long and was reset, but it may have only been reset ''because'' it was too long.
* Liquid Style custom skin needs to be updated.


::The site is designed for a minimum width of about 1000px. At 1024x768 resolution, that means maximizing the page. At 800x600, I imagine, it wouldn't fit even maximized. This was a decision made by the site designers, and its a decision the designers of most sites must make, though most try to make the minimum width about 800px...--[[User:DragoonWraith|DragoonWraith]] 22:56, 13 May 2006 (EDT)
That last one is obviously not Bethesda's problem, heh. I'll be trying to fix that.<br/>
[[User:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">D</span>ragoon <span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">W</span>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<span style="font-family: Oblivion; size=2;">TALK</span>]] 17:43, 28 May 2011 (EDT)


:::For my browsing, I seldom use less than 1600px in the horizontal resolution. While horizontal scrolling ''is'' evil, wasting about 50% of my screen space (at the ''lowest'' resolution I use) for black borders is nontheless highly annoying. The web site designers of the elderscrolls.com should really learn their job and look up "fluid design" sometime. Thankfully, they left the Monobook CSS mostly intact, which means I don't have to write my own style into [[User:(myusername)/Monobook.css]] ... --[[User:Khadir|Khadir]] 11:30, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
:This is good news, I guess. For anyone else wondering; we're now running 1.16.5, which is the most recent stable version of MediaWiki. The GECK Wiki is still running 1.13.2 which was released in October 2008.
:::: ... which doesn't work here anyway, it seems. Why is $wgAllowUserCss disabled, exactly? --[[User:Khadir|Khadir]] 11:43, 21 June 2006 (EDT)
:If I can, I'll take some time to look into the liquid style.
:--[[User:Qazaaq|Qazaaq]] 11:11, 30 May 2011 (EDT)


== StartYourMod ==
== Search is broken ==


I made a tutorial which I think is an important one, but i didn't realise that it didn;t go in the tutorial section of the wiki. [[StartYourMod]] if someone could move it and my first discussion item attached I would appreciate it.
Every time I try to search for anything, it brings me to a blank page. Can someone please do something about it? - [[User:ZuTheSkunk|ZuTheSkunk]] ([[User talk:ZuTheSkunk|talk]]) 14:14, 11 December 2014 (EST)


:[[User:DragoonWraith|<font face="Oblivion,Daedric" size=3>D</font>ragoon <font face="Oblivion,Daedric" size=3>W</font>raith]] [[User_talk:DragoonWraith|<font face="Oblivion,Daedric" size=2>TALK</font>]] 13:35, 1 June 2006 (EDT): I moved it to [[Start Your Mod]], since it didn't make sense for it to not have spaces, and I added it to the [[:Category:Tutorials]] category. I also explained how these things are done on its [[Talk:Start Your Mod|Talk]] page.
== Need to replace the captcha system ==


The captcha system (used to weed out bots when trying to create an account, and to submit an edit) is hosed.


==Claim cell ownership in the Tamriel world space==
* More than half the time it does not load at all.
Well, since this is the place most modders go to after the TES forums, how about doing a page where people can make claims to certain cells. Then this info could go into their documentation. Those modmakers who don't use this will at least alert people to the fact that it might conflict with any number of mods. Unless this is already up and working and I'm too stupid to find it - the navigation of this site leaves something to be desired :-) tho' it is getting better. Franc Kaos.
* When it does, it almost always presents a picture-moving puzzle, which is not functional in Chrome, or any other browser I tried other than an old copy of Internet Explorer. So, I cannot edit this site other than by resorting the worst browser on earth, which is now old Microsoft abandonware that won't even work in future versions of Windows. Just get the regular captcha that 99% of captcha-using sites use, "I am not a robot". I works universally.


:IMO there isn't much reason to claim cells in Tamriel, make new Worldspaces instead.--[[User:JOG|JOG]] 04:20, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
[[User:Darklocq|Darklocq]] ([[User talk:Darklocq|talk]]) 03:50, 9 May 2018 (EDT)


==Articles for Deletion Category==
Oh, hell, it's even worse than I thought. I can't edit actual articles here, only talk pages, because the articles are using a different captcha that even fails in IE. It's the "pick all squares with street signs" one. After you successfully do it, you're returned to the page, but minus the edits you just made, and you try to do them again, the same thing happens. I just tried 5 times in a row to fix a typo, and can't do it. No wonder no one's editing this site any longer.  It's broken.  PS: It's taken me at least 20 tries, in IE, to even save this comment. [[User:Darklocq|Darklocq]] ([[User talk:Darklocq|talk]]) 04:12, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
It would be quite useful if an administrator could list the "Category:Articles for Deletion" page on the main page, or at least review it -- as that was the intention: for administrators to review it and delete pages that get categorized under it. --[[User:MaXiMiUS|MaXiMiUS]] 20:21, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 04:12, 9 May 2018

This page is for comments and suggestions for the Main Page of the CS Wiki. This is not for questions about Oblivion, the Construction Set, or modding in general. Please put these questions in appropriate places. Suggestions for the Wiki overall (not this page specifically) may go here, but are probably more appropriate at the Community Portal.


Main Page Talk Archives:


Questions should go to the forums[edit source]

This is not the place to ask random questions about the CS. The only things that should be discussed here are things related to the use and structure of the wiki itself. Direct CS questions to the Construction Set forum.

The admins are going to start enforcing this policy, so you should stop putting questions here or they are likely to be rolled back.

--Kkuhlmann 08:49, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

Suggestions for the Main Page[edit source]

Dragoon Wraith TALK 00:27, 27 June 2007 (EDT): Please post any suggestions you may have for improving the Main Page here. Please give your suggestion a tier-two header (=='s on either side), and please sign it with ~~~~.

Suggestion: Tutorial's link[edit source]

I would like to see a link on the main page that directs you to page listing all the tutorials currently on the wiki. I'm not sure if such a page exists yet but a link on the main page would definately be nice. The way I see it, it would direct more traffic to the tutorials section which would in turn increase the quality and diversity of tutorials on this wiki.
--Antares 00:27, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree, it's the most used section of the Wiki, so a link on the main page would make sense. I'm thinking of next to the Index, Categories and Featured Content links.
Antares, there's such a listing here: Category:Tutorials
--Qazaaq 04:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)


Suggestion : User's Online[edit source]

How about a counter at the bottom of the screen, showing number of people viewing the current page, and list of registered members online in the bottom of the main page ? Just like in any forum script. -- shademe 08:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Number of users, easy. Currently viewing the page? No idea. That would have to be something Bethesda implements. I could ask about it if people really want it, but I dunno, never been a big concern for me.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 11:54, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
A thoroughly excellent idea, it would be great to see which registered users are online as I believe it could positively impact the speed at which things are achieved/questions are answered. I have to say I'm with DragoonWraith on the Currently viewing page idea, although it would be cool and nice I do not see it as being a big deal. I am impartial on the latter of those two, all for the former though.
--Antares 06:08, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
What I meant was something like this ...

700px

... in the main page for starters. And perhaps a internal IM applet/shoutbox, for discussion of the registered members ? -- shademe 09:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, it would have to be Bethesda doing it. But I can ask. Don't hold your breath, though; the Wiki is not high on the list of priorities, so anything that involves more than usual maintenance is often a lot to ask. Asking them to go and find some kind of applet that does this, or code it themselves, is probably more than we can hope for.
If you want to improve the chances, you could help them out with this by finding something for them that I can link them to. Then they would only have to implement it, which could happen, perhaps.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 10:25, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
Here's a link to [phpBB]. You probably know about this, but this is a bulletin board script. It should have the script for the user's online. Maybe it can be extrapolated into the WiKi's - It should be fairly easy considering the wiki's running on phP -- shademe 05:08, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm not against the idea, doesn't really matter to me, but the idea that it's easy because the Wiki is also coded in PHP is false. The Wiki's user system is extremely different from a forum's. Adding the PHP code from phpBB is most likely even harder than writing it from scratch. If you want any chance of getting this you'll need to find a MediaWiki extension that does this. Extensions are relatively easy to install, but that's not all, probably changes to the stylesheet are also necessary. It's Bethesda's and was made to work with extras like this. This greatly reduces the chances of getting this feature installed. Unless you can find an extension, don't even count on it. See here for MediaWiki extensions.
--Qazaaq 17:05, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, I was digging into MediaWiKi's extension and found a few : [ShoutBox], [], [AjaX Version of Who's Online], [Set Online status preference]. Think this can be implemented ( sorry If this seems dumb, I a client-sided coder ) ? helloo ... ? -- shademe 07:54, 2 October 2008 (EDT)
I'd prefer the Who's Online extension (not my decision though) but that one requires MediaWiki 1.11+ and we're running 1.10.0 here. Only the ShoutBox is compatible with 1.10.0, but it doesn't really sound like what we're looking for. Maybe there are older versions of the other extension available.
--Qazaaq 12:55, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
It's conceivable that upgrading the Wiki would be possible. They've done it in the past. We could also ask how much that would entail. Considering that they have installed newer versions for other Wikis, they would know what they would need to do and whether or not it's worth it.
I know newer Wikis support Redirects being put in Categories, which I find desirable. Anyone know of any other advantages of the newer Wiki version?
Dragoon Wraith TALK 14:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

It's been awhile, but what's the new on this ? -- shademe 12:37, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Bethesda intends to update the Wiki to v1.14 once v1.14 comes out, I believe (v1.14 is currently in beta, and is being used on WikiMedia Foundation sites like Wikipedia); at that point, we'll look into this. Seems like an update needs to happen before most of those will work.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 12:59, 11 January 2009 (EST)

It is a rather good idea, as it implements how popular the page is, or how useful it can be, as if it's unpopular people wouldn't often go to it and if it's useless then peopl wouldn't read right through it much, all in all, a splendid idea, as i've seen it on other websites and i find it useful! --Oblivious12123 12:30, 28 December 2009 (EST)

Heads-up for new users[edit source]

Why not write a bot to automatically add an entry, one that informs them about the wiki's policy on asking questions, to the TALK page of new users ? That could help with keeping down the creation of unnecessary new articles.
shadeMe TALK 18:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Hmm... I'm not certain that the bot's allowed to be "always on" like that. I'm also not certain how to configure it to do that (though I know it can). Hmm... I'll look into it. Typically those things go on their Talk page after they've made their first Edit though.
Someone want to write a welcome message thing, then?
Dragoon Wraith TALK 21:12, 31 January 2010 (EST)
Heh, it'd probably be more of a "go away" message. In any case, I'm willing to try.
shadeMe TALK 21:29, 31 January 2010 (EST)
I did some "research" about bots on some other wiki's and I found an article containing a script that welcomes new users (here). That page seemed to be part of an entire wiki about bots:(here).
I hope this information helps.
--Darkness X 11:12, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Ideas to support newbies:[edit source]

The front page displays the featured article, which at the moment is 'a beginners' guide' right?

So when a new featured article gets chosen, the newbies may get stuck looking for basic tutorials. Maybe we should keep the beginners' guide on the main page, after a new featured article is selected. It would make things simpler for newbies and more convenient and less frustrating and time consuming... --Oblivious12123 12:25, 28 December 2009 (EST)

New ideas to support newbies should be left in this section, not a new one, please leave a line and start anew, then reinsert this piece of writing at the bottom of your work

That's a pretty good idea. Currently, though, I don't think the Beginner's Guide is in much danger of being shuffled off... *shrug* When we're looking to change it, yes, I think that's a good plan.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 21:10, 31 January 2010 (EST)

May 28, 2011 MediaWiki Update[edit source]

The Wiki has, for the first time in a long time, had its version of MediaWiki updated. This is wonderful news, generally speaking.

Unfortunately, it seems to have broken the Liquid Style custom CSS, and there may be a few niggling details that need to be fixed as well. Please post anything you find odd here; I'll try to communicate this with Bethsoft.

List of issues:

  • The box around categories look very odd, and it's there even if a page does not have any categories.
  • Custom signatures appear to have been reset and their maximum length reduced. At least, mine was too long and was reset, but it may have only been reset because it was too long.
  • Liquid Style custom skin needs to be updated.

That last one is obviously not Bethesda's problem, heh. I'll be trying to fix that.
Dragoon Wraith TALK 17:43, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

This is good news, I guess. For anyone else wondering; we're now running 1.16.5, which is the most recent stable version of MediaWiki. The GECK Wiki is still running 1.13.2 which was released in October 2008.
If I can, I'll take some time to look into the liquid style.
--Qazaaq 11:11, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Search is broken[edit source]

Every time I try to search for anything, it brings me to a blank page. Can someone please do something about it? - ZuTheSkunk (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2014 (EST)

Need to replace the captcha system[edit source]

The captcha system (used to weed out bots when trying to create an account, and to submit an edit) is hosed.

  • More than half the time it does not load at all.
  • When it does, it almost always presents a picture-moving puzzle, which is not functional in Chrome, or any other browser I tried other than an old copy of Internet Explorer. So, I cannot edit this site other than by resorting the worst browser on earth, which is now old Microsoft abandonware that won't even work in future versions of Windows. Just get the regular captcha that 99% of captcha-using sites use, "I am not a robot". I works universally.

Darklocq (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Oh, hell, it's even worse than I thought. I can't edit actual articles here, only talk pages, because the articles are using a different captcha that even fails in IE. It's the "pick all squares with street signs" one. After you successfully do it, you're returned to the page, but minus the edits you just made, and you try to do them again, the same thing happens. I just tried 5 times in a row to fix a typo, and can't do it. No wonder no one's editing this site any longer. It's broken. PS: It's taken me at least 20 tries, in IE, to even save this comment. Darklocq (talk) 04:12, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

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